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On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 5:31 PM Dennis Hamilton <orc...@msn.com> wrote:

> The TL;DR: Creating an external AOOAuthors GitHub project for deriving
> documentation of current AOO releases is not difficult.  Many of us could
> do that.   It just takes some minimal initial organization and agreement on
> the contributor mechanism, working languages, etc.
>
> At some point soon, this discussion should move off of doc @ oo.a.o.  It
> might be valuable to have some threads on the AOO Community Forum, <
> https://forum.openoffice.org/>.  There also needs to be agreement on the
> working language(s) of an AOOAuthors project.
>
> I am waiting for Keith to say what approach he wants to see.    Readers of
> doc @ oo.a.o could also say what they would be willing to work on.  Then we
> can act jointly.
>
> DETAILS
>
> The ASF restriction on CC licensed material has to do with ASF Project
> source-code repositories.  There is an exception for GPL, CC-by, and other
> licenses if reliance on such artifacts is optional and the artifacts are
> fetched and included in the build process, never housed in an ASF Project
> repo.  Note that this is about ASF Project governance.  The ASF has
> principled project requirements beyond those of the Apache License itself.
> (The preservation of OO.o documentation at <
> https://www.openoffice.org/documentation/> Is a variant on this idea.)
>
> In the case of documentation projects and their repositories, the
> exception is not workable.  However, using an off-project repository
> employed outside of and *independent* of the AOO Project accomplishes the
> same purpose.  The independence is important: there should be no
> accountability of the project to the AOO PMC and especially in AOO reports
> to the ASF Board beyond mentioning the existence of such a project.  Note
> that this already happens with extensions and templates where user selects
> them and they have varied licenses.
>
> The independent-(GitHub-)project avenue, if still being pursued for making
> AOO user documentation, is equivalent to how OooAuthors was external to
> OpenOffice.org and how Jean Weber's User Guide would be external and, in
> this case, a personal project.
>
> As a fork of OooAuthors documents, an AOOAuthors project need not maintain
> dual licensing of the derivative AOO 4.x documentation.  With appropriate
> notification and attribution of the original OOO documentation the results
> could be offered under CC-BY unported, for example.  That might be more
> palatable for AOO contributors that also become AOOAuthors contributors.
> Whatever the license choice(s), that has to be resolved immediately so that
> contributors know what their license commitment must be.  And for the CC-BY
> case, specific attribution requirements should be in the front manner of
> the derived documents.
>
> There also needs to be enough AOOAuthors documentation of AOOAuthors so
> that people can learn how to follow the effort and how to contribute to it.
>
>  - Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean Weber <jeanwe...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 23:59
> To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: New Doc Volunteer
>
> AOO does not allow CC licensed material. That's a major part of the
> problem of reuse. However, the body of documentation is also licensed under
> GPL, which is sort-of allowed, with restrictions.
>
> Jean
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