On Apr 8, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoff...@icann.org> wrote:
> 
> I have been on vacation this week and am just seeing this thread now. Now 
> that a bunch of people have spoken up on the topic, if someone wants to 
> propose a *specific* change to the definition in draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis, 
> this would be a very good time to do it, given that we are after WG Last Call 
> but waiting for AD writeup. Otherwise, the current wording will be used for 
> IETF Last Call.
> 

As co-author of the draft, my reading of the list is that there is no consensus 
on a new definition to add to the draft. The chairs are the ones to make 
consensus calls, and they might disagree.

The current definition is:
   Lame delegation:  "A lame delegations exists [sic] when a nameserver
      is delegated responsibility for providing nameservice for a zone
      (via NS records) but is not performing nameservice for that zone
      (usually because it is not set up as a primary or secondary for
      the zone)."  (Quoted from [RFC1912], Section 2.8) Another
      definition is that a lame delegation "...happens when a name
      server is listed in the NS records for some domain and in fact it
      is not a server for that domain.  Queries are thus sent to the
      wrong servers, who don't know nothing [sic] (at least not as
      expected) about the queried domain.  Furthermore, sometimes these
      hosts (if they exist!) don't even run name servers."  (Quoted from
      [RFC1713], Section 2.3)


However, it seems clear that there is a desire to indicate that the current 
definition is incomplete. I propose to add:
  These early definitions do not match current use of the term "lame 
delegation",
  but there is not consensus on what a lame delegation is.

Is this a reasonable addition?

--Paul Hoffman

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