On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 09:25:39 +0200, Martin wrote in message <17528997.NVoXsIU3kD@merkaba>:
> How would it look like if we all just accept that some like to use > Systemd and some do not like to use or install it? Everyone for their > own reasons with themselves are neither inherently right or wrong. ..there is a new Debian policy on init systems brewing? Good news. > As the sysvinit maintenance thing popped up as a discussion in Debian > I see the wonderful opportunity to work together. KatolaZ kindly > offered to help with maintaining sysvinit, Ian Jackson already > offered to upload changes of Debian sysvinit package, there is a > debian-init-diversity mailing list, focusing on discussing this work. ..yay!!! Any chance there will be an official Debian list? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/debian-init-diversity http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-init-diversity/2018-October/thread.html ..seeing [ Debian's ] "d-i always starts with systemd so every new install will need to switch from systemd!)" in: ... http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-init-diversity/2018-October/000022.html ...have any of you Debian guys tried to install or rescue a Debian box from a Devuan d-i installer? AFAIUI, that would mean switching TO systemd, FROM s6, runit, sysv-init or whatever we run in Devuan's d-i. Which might help in those odd cases where Debian's d-i fails. > And while there are some people… both in Devuan and Debian who seem > to enjoy recreating the past with all the suffering again, there are > also people who just go for: ..aye, we have those haters here too. Over at Groklaw.net a lot of us came in "al Qaida is fake, who else is out there?"-style and wound up enjoying teasing new litigation test balloon stunts out of our beloved 11 year US$ 4Bill Oshkoshy litigants, if you can imagine a lawsuit feel like an 11 year US$ 4Bill air show. Quite an healing process. :o) > What can we do now to improve the situation for everyone? What can we > do if we let go of the drama and focus on what is here *now*? ..you Debian guys will do the from-systemd parts since you know them better? ..starting with a way to read the binary systemd log files on machines not running systemd, will help convince people like myself you mean business on Debian people wanting init system diversity. > The past is gone. It is over. It is just a memory. It by itself does > not exist. ..for some of us, this past(?) Debian systemd etc policy from the banana republic coup style policy change, had expensive consequences, which remain as a rather useless daily reminder. > Now there is the opportunity for a first light form of cooperation > between Debian and Devuan and to learn to co-exist in peace with each > other. To channel all the energy – a huge lot, if you ask me – spent > to fight against each other to get some work done that will benefit > both Devuan and Debian. > > What happens if we let go of the drama and get on with life again? ..we will find out, one way or another. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
