On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Mike Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So the fact that you say we have to  force nearly 15000 people to
> change is a rather void argument. I'm pretty sure the people who use
> django-users mainly do it through the web interface

I'd be interested to know how you back up this assertion. The default
mode of operation of a Google Group is as a mailing list, and you need
to be a member of the group to post. Personally, I almost never use
the web interface unless I'm looking for a link to reference a
specific message.

>  - so to them it
> would only mean the changing of a web address. Everybodies
> subscriptions would stay in tact, they would just have to send to a
> slightly different web address.

This solves the split archive problem, but it doesn't solve the
problem of 3 years of email referring to the 'django-dev' archive.
Google groups is good, but it isn't magic.

It also doesn't solve the many places that duplicate the django
mailing list archives.

> There are going to be some initial confusions, yes, but considering it
> all I think it'll do more good, than bad.

Completely aside from any technical or archival disadvantages, this
whole argument hinges on one important assertion: that it is possible
to fix this problem with a rename. To this argument I say 'poppycock'.

To whit:

If we call it django-developers, some users will think "Oh, I'm
developing for django, so I'll mail here"

If we call it django-internals, some users will think "Oh, I'm
developing using the internals of django, so I'll mail here"

If we call it django-core (even if it wasn't already taken), some
users will think "Oh, I'm using the django core, so I'll mail here".

Yes, the current name is ambiguous. So is every other possible name.

This is completely aside from the "lazy user" problems, which no
rename will solve:
 * django-developers (or alias) has a smaller readership, so I'm more
likely to get an answer
 * django-developers (or alias) has more experienced developers, so
I'm more likely to get an answer
 * django-developers (or alias) is the first Django mailing list
someone found in a search, so they mail without looking for a better
forum.

So, -1 from me.

Russ %-)

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