On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tom Tobin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And this *isn't* a bikeshed argument.  There is obviously substantial
> confusion over what the terms "users" and "developers" mean in the
> context of Django.  We're attracting *lots* of people (3849 on
> -developers, 10431 on -users), and the problem hasn't abated; it's
> only going to get worse.

Just so I have this right, the as-yet-unspoken implication in this
suggestion is that nearly 4,000 people subscribe to a new list, update
any email rules they may have set up, etc. In addition, we fragment
the development mailing list archive into a "2005-2008" archive and a
"2008-present" archive. As such, we also chop any threads that may be
in progress during the move, hoping they'll continue without incident
on the new list. And that's not considering the hassle of trying to
actually follow those threads later, given that it'd span two separate
archives.

> (FWIW, I've registered "django-support" and "django-community" as
> locked groups, and will gladly hand them over to someone in core / DSF
> / etc.)

Interesting. So now we're considering asking over 10,000 people to
subscribe to up to two new mailing lists, just to continue discussions
they have happily today. And again, we have the whole multiple-archive
problem and hacked-up threads. More to the point, neither of those
would solve the problem, since the issue here isn't that
"django-users" isn't descriptive enough; it's that "django-developers"
is also descriptive enough. If you're registering new names, why not
register a new name for the mailing list actually experiencing the
problem?

Now, I'm admit: I do realize that Django 1.0 involves some necessary
backwards-incompatibilities. But should mailing list subscriptions
really be added to that list? Troubling nearly 15,000 people to change
3-year-old habits because a few people are annoyed by off-topic emails
every other day (or so) just doesn't seem worth it to me.

As always, one man's opinion.

-Gul

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