Benjamin, Out of your three links only the 3rd describes an actual harassment > occurring at a Django-related event.
Actually, even the third link doesn't describe harassment occuring at a Django-related event. It described harassment by a Django community member at a non-Django event. And it describes an organizer flailing to know what to do because they *didn't* have a policy. I'm a little confused how the takeaway is "everything about that was fine" rather than "they should maybe have had a policy". I will certainly agree that it was better than the alternative, which would have been the organizer ignoring or dismissing her concerns. The other two links do talk about how exceptional DjangoCon is. And *part of that* was that DjangoCon has an explicit code of conduct. So again, I feel like you've missed the point. Codes of conduct do work. By my statement "stop just talking about it and show us what that would look like" I mean that you should write down the actual *text* of the "affirmative policy" that you keep talking about. Write down the policy. In detail. So that we can actually review what you think would be good. It's fine to talk about your principles, and I don't necessarily disagree with an affirmative policy, but right now *all* I'm getting from you is principles. So again, please stop just talking about it and show us what it would look like. As in, again, to be entirely explicit, write the policy you would like to see so that we can read it. This is particularly important if you actually want constructive feedback. I can't give you feedback on something I can't see. And please keep in mind that you are also motivated by good intentions, and we all know which road is paved with those. In other words, good intentions are not enough on any side of any argument. Best, Stephen On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Alex Gaynor <[email protected]> wrote: > When Jacob and I originally drafted the CoC, we specifically included an > enumeration of some disallowed behaviors on the recommendation of the Ada > Initiative -- it was their view that the list helped to minimize rules > lawyering, whereby someone attempts to explain how they could not have > known their behavior was disallowed. > > On reflection, I completely agree with their reasoning and am very glad we > included it. > > Alex > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, barbara.shaurette < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> As someone who has been the target of harassment at conferences (I've >> been lucky, only minor incidents for me, although the same can't be said >> for other of my female colleagues), I prefer explicit over implicit. 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