-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Gene brought up a lot of good points. So now I guess I'll finally throw my $0.02 worth into the mix.
First, I'm conflicted about it, and not for the reasons anyone might suspect. - - Part of me thinks it's a completely horrible idea (which I'll get into), but - - Part of me wants the organization to move forward with it, on the off-chance that I might be able to make a claim that I paid to be a member and I don't want to be a sponsor, and I can get a refund for dues paid Second, the proposal has all sorts of things it needs to account for: - - One of the things we learned, early on, from both corporate sponsors and from the association-management folks at AH, was that "member numbers" were a meaningless metric to corp. sponsors if membership was free. Because they are trivially inflated. So if the goal is to do this to grow the member numbers, to increase sponsorship opportunities, then it is horribly misguided. - - The by-laws will require a fairly comprehensive overhaul in order to make it work - - You'll have a member-based organization where you literally "pay to vote" (unless you're going to let non-paying members vote in which case, boy howdy, elections could be very very fun to watch...) This doesn't seem to be in keeping with the egalitarian nature we have historically tried to assert for the organization Third, if the Board is seriously considering slashing the organization's primary revenue stream -- at the first time in LOPSA's history when the monies collected as dues can finally go 100% towards the actual operation of the organization, instead of debt clearance -- then that is something which should haunt every single Board member who supports this, come the next election. Lastly, I'm going to throw something out there that a lot of people aren't going to want to hear, and frankly which I don't even want to really say, but which needs saying at this point: LOPSA IS A FAILURE I say this as someone who signed up as a paid member on Day One, as a founding sponsor, and a former board member. So I am not someone who wants to be "a LOPSA naysayer", I am simply being pragmatic at this point. This fall will mark the 10 year birthday of LOPSA, and it has accomplished - literally - nothing that couldn't have been accomplished under the USENIX/SAGE banner of yore. Except that it's done so with a lot more overhead, a lot more grumbling, years of inter-organizational bad-blood, and a lot of person-hours spent by volunteers that resulted in precious little. As Gene points out, the discounts given by various "sponsors" are little different than is available to informal user-groups, or other organizations. Our list of "member benefits" is nothing that couldn't be done without the org structure (IRC channels? mailing lists?) It's a joke. It's a joke that every incoming board has had lofty goals of changing, all without success (and I include myself in that). How many of these platitudes do you remember hearing during more than one election cycle? - We need to reach out to other communities and build the membership - We need to think creatively to come up with other cost-effective benefits we can offer members - We need to work on a better answer to the question of "Why should I become a member?" At this point, I strongly believe we should consider working with USENIX to move LOPSA's biggest successes - the mentoring program and the local conferences, to operate directly under the USENIX banner (although with LOPSA-East taking an unplanned hiatus, and the financial peril that CasIT faces according to the Jan-12 minutes[1], perhaps it's just the mentoring program at this point). Afterwards, maybe it's time to think of what LOPSA's exit strategy is, and ponder the "D" word ... dissolution. There's a lot of folks here with very strong emotional attachment to LOPSA, and I get it. But looking at it clinically: it's time to take the org off the ventilator. To let it die as gracefully as possible at this point. And with that, I'll get off the soapbox... D [1] http://governance.lopsa.org/Board_meeting_Minutes/12_Jan_2015#Cascadia..._.28Ski.29 - -- I prefer to use encrypted mail. My public key fingerprint is FD6A 6990 F035 DE9E 3713 B4F1 661B 3AD6 D82A BBD0. 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