Hi Lungo Not quite what I said. It is early days for the SL shining case study but well worth watching.
Cheers Bob On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Arthur, > > Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the > facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically. > > Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS > referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration > permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility > attributes from external database easier. > > See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study. > > One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking > for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands > will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option. > > Best regards, > > Lungo > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> > To: Arthur Heywood <[email protected]> > Cc: Juma Lungo <[email protected]>; dhis2-users > <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>; dhis2-devs <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to > integrate with DHIS > > Hi Arthur > > Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this > has been done with dhis2 and ihris. I am familiar with examples from > Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which > could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use > as far as I know. > > I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of > health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with > processes to keep them harmonized. You might only have 20 indicators > of interest but you have 1000s of facilities. As soon as the orgunits > start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart. I think > there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem. > > One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few > years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this. I > am less sure. In practice you now find that whereas before the > problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex > because you have 3 :-) Add more with LMIS etc .. > > So 2 alternative approaches emerge: > 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this > sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has > obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term > strategy to solve all problems > 2. insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as > the authoritative source of facility registry data. If only they > would :-) Unfortunately dhis2 view of the > physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can > diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of > MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for > example. So there are local arrangements and understandings to be > made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential, > > In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved > for now. Unless someone can point me otherwise. The challenge seems > on the surface to be technically fairly trivial, But beneath lurk > demons. > > Cheers > Bob > > On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <[email protected]> wrote: >> Lungo >> Good to hear from you ... long time no see >> Thanks for this .... can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL >> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make >> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc >> >> Regards >> Arthur >> >> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank >> Zappa) >> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za >> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Arthur, >>> >>> I would recommend iHRIS. >>> >>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many >>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working >>> closely >>> with DHIS2 developers. >>> >>> Lungo >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Calle Hedberg <[email protected]> >>> To: Arthur Heywood <[email protected]> >>> Cc: dhis2-users <[email protected]>; dhis2-devs >>> <[email protected]>; gerald thomas <[email protected]>; >>> Seleman Ally <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System >>> to integrate with DHIS >>> >>> Arthur, >>> >>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus >>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and >>> get >>> back to you. >>> >>> Regards >>> Calle >>> >>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Calle >>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human >>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi >>> districts ... >>> >>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to >>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs etc) >>> and >>> then feed back into the development process ....interesting to know how >>> far >>> you have progressed? >>> >>> Cheers >>> a >>> >>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank >>> Zappa) >>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za >>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Laura, >>> >>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in >>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to >>> tell >>> you more about that one). >>> >>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing >>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying >>> for >>> internship or Community Service posts per annum). >>> >>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated >>> with >>> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources >>> including >>> position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. >>> Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are >>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight >>> integration >>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user >>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular >>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 >>> on >>> a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease >>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc. >>> >>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track >>> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to >>> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a >>> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where >>> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able >>> to >>> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it >>> could >>> be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), >>> and >>> how to contact them. >>> >>> Regards >>> Calle >>> >>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to >>> help. >>> >>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <[email protected] >>> u> wrote: >>> >>> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS >>> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now >>> it >>> needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be >>> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. >>> An >>> Open Source HRIS is preferable. >>> >>> In searching for tools I have come across the following: >>> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam >>> iHRIS developed by global Capacity Project. >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these >>> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us? >>> >>> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information. >>> >>> Laura E. Lincks >>> Database Manager/Developer >>> ICAP - Columbia University >>> Mailman School of Public Health >>> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1 >>> New York, NY 10032 >>> Tel: 212 304 7132 >>> >>> ______________________________ _________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-u sers >>> Post to : [email protected] t >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-u sers >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/Lis tHelp >>> >>> >>> ______________________________ _________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-d evs >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-d evs >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/Lis tHelp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ****************************** ************* >>> Calle Hedberg >>> 46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA >>> Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472 >>> Cell: +27-82-853-5352 >>> Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19119 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Skype: calle_hedberg >>> ****************************** ************* >>> >>> >>> ______________________________ _________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-u sers >>> Post to : [email protected] t >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-u sers >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/Lis tHelp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ******************************************* >>> Calle Hedberg >>> 46D Alma Road, 7700 Rosebank, SOUTH AFRICA >>> Tel/fax (home): +27-21-685-6472 >>> Cell: +27-82-853-5352 >>> Iridium SatPhone: +8816-315-19119 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Skype: calle_hedberg > >>> ******************************************* >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
