> On Feb 16, 2025, at 14:34, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 at 15:41, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> My theory is that the notion of adding new podling committers has evolved >> and that at some point the infra tool and secretary tool diverged. Some time >> mid 2010s. > > There is no indication that the Secretary tooling ever changed in this > respect; I looked back to the start of its history. > >> I don't know how hard it would be to change workbench to use the same format >> as infra tool, but it would save a bit of back-and-forth with secretary, >> PPMC, and committer. > > As I already wrote, if the PPMC handles the account request, then they > can do it all.
I'm really sad that my perspective is that we (secretary team) should make it as easy as possible to help PMCs and PPMCs to onboard new committers, and you have made it clear that you disagree with my position. PPMCs in particular are new to ASF and making them jump through arbitrary hoops makes no sense to me. Craig > >> Craig >> >> >>> On Feb 16, 2025, at 05:02, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I've just noticed a commit to new-account-requests which included the >>> fields: >>> >>> ...;incubator,iggy;incubator;.... >>> >>> It appears this was added by the officers/acreq form. >>> The code implies that the first of the above fields is the list of >>> groups, and the second the PMC. >>> >>> Not sure why the Secretary version does not allow for this, but if the >>> account request is left to the (P)PMCs, the LDAP update should happen >>> automatically. >>> >>> Given that there is an easy work-round, and the future of Whimsy is in >>> doubt, I'm not sure it's worth making the change. >>> >>> Sebb >>> >>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 at 09:11, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 at 05:01, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Was there some other way to identify podlings, like incubator-kie instead >>>>> of just incubator? >>>> >>>> That would be a question for Infra, as they process the requests. >>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 15:53, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Accounts are created by Infra, using the acreq/new-account-reqs.txt file. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is populated here: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/whimsy/blob/55e2d4cee10bc71ff283e478fa91de749dc6d777/www/secretary/workbench/views/actions/icla.json.rb#L185 >>>>>> >>>>>> AFAICT this has not changed in the last 9 years or so. >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot find any evidence that Whimsy ever did anything different. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 at 21:41, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recall that in times past, filing an ICLA for a voted committer on a >>>>>>> podling would request an account with committer privileges to both >>>>>>> incubator and the podling. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That changed and now only incubator privileges are set for the new >>>>>>> committer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was that change deliberate or a side effect of some tooling change? I >>>>>>> do not see that the change is positive since it means more work for >>>>>>> secretary and the PPMC members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Craig L Russell >>>>>>> c...@apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Craig L Russell >>>>> c...@apache.org >>>>> >> >> Craig L Russell >> c...@apache.org >> Craig L Russell c...@apache.org
