On 03.10.2016 12:14, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
But [MS Office] OOXML is not what we could label a real open
format. There are parts that still refer to proprietary bits.
fud, or show me exactly what parts you mean
Well, I dont know if it is exactly a fud. There is a cornerstone truce to this. Do not forget Microsoft was pretty much surprised by the success of ODF specification becoming a public ISO Standard. Their first definition was hastely published, in Microsoft style. It was a agressive reponse. The stake back then was high for both sides. Media did support all sorts of sides in this time. With ODF becoming ISO standard, the doors into US public service were open. This was acclaimed as a break of the Microsoft Office monopol. As much as I remeber the OOXML allows you to add binary files directly into the document, which are not further defined. I mean it could be anything, and only Microsoft Office did know what it saved in these spots. So yea the standard could techicly be only a shell and still remain intransparent. But IMHO it was only a specification flaw. For OpenSource warriors this was of course the invitation battle MS. I think on Open source front, the success of ODF changed the attitude of embracing other Formats. Before that there was a strong drive to make the Microsoft binary formats work. And support to support other Formats. This will dropped after the success of ODF. But with OOXML tied to MS, and OO focusing on ODF the seperation on the market was imident, which was bad for bizzness. So I think it turned a little when Novell (looking back, who had already bad experience with a similar situation n the UNIX market ;) ) made the cooperation deal with Microsoft to jointly work on both formats. It is the turning point for Microsoft from fighting open source to embrace it. However I think the bad Karma from the days still sticks for most people. Ballmer style just broke to much Glass in his time and MS just was to good Empire for the Rebellion.

I do belive that real openess is about choice, not about transparency. Transperency is about trust. ODF has a better trancperency then OOXML. But beeing open we need to embrace and value both formats.

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