Le 03/10/2016 à 12:14, Jörg Schmidt a écrit :
From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.del...@laposte.net]
I think that ODF was designed to be a fully open standard to
give the users back the property of their own data.
No, that's not correct.

ODF was written this it was compatible with the capabilities of the program OOo.
This is a purely technical issue, and does not mean the ODF would therefore not
designed open.

Even if it came from a previous format, the goal was to make a documented 
format to allow compatibility with other applications. So not designed from 
scratch, agreed, but changes made for interoperability. That's how I understand 
the target of ODF.


But [MS Office] OOXML is not what we could label a real open
format. There are parts that still refer to proprietary bits.
fud, or show me exactly what parts you mean

e.g. the old binary formats has MS disclosed, see:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/office/cc313105(v=office.14).aspx
https://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/office/gg615407(v=office.14).aspx

I admit that most of my knowledge come from the time when the OOXML was being 
ISO approved. I found this as a more recent reference : 
http://courseweb.ischool.illinois.edu/~stanley8/LIS590DPL/standards/docformats.html
I remember also the groklaw site: 
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20051216153153504
There was plenty of technical details. But maybe it has changed. I've not 
really followed what happened afterward.

and please respect one:
I'm working for free and open source software for over 10 years, however 
therefore
I do not work primary against MS - for my thinking MS is a competitor, not an
enemy for me.

There is no enemy. Agreed. But Users should be aware of the rules.

BTW, you say that MS is a Platinum sponsor, but you mean for Apache? Or for 
AOO? That's not the same IMHO.

Well, I'm just a user in the end. If you technical guys think that it's fine as 
it is, so be it.

Hagar

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