On Sunday, March 8, 2015, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:

> On 08/03/2015 Simon Phipps wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>>> What about actually doing something?
>>>
>> That, sir, is insulting. If you want to propose a resolution,
>> do so, but please do not attempt to hand out jobs.
>>
>
> Volunteering to do something is much more appreciated than complaining. I
> felt free to remind you and Dave that offering your help is all you need to
> do if you want to manually maintain a list of people. I hope Dave did not
> feel insulted [oops, see below]. Apologies to Simon, but in spite of
> thinking about it for a while, I can't really find a gentler way to tell
> you that if you really want to see something done, offering your help is
> your best option. This is true for minor tasks like maintaining a list of
> moderators as well as for bigger, more significant tasks.
>
> Dave Barton wrote:
>
>> Is such a hostile and insulting attack necessary?
>>
>
> Well, if you felt insulted too, apologies to you too. It is quite clear
> from the context that I meant "doing something [about it]", i.e., about
> that specific web page, not in general. I can't see myself being hostile or
> insulting, but I cannot spend my whole day in explaining sentences.
>
>  I do not question that the ASF strives to be open and transparent, but
>> in the area of community building the AOO project is sadly lacking.
>> Comments, such as you have expressed here are, to say the least,
>> discouraging.
>>
>
> I think you got your answers and your points were taken. My comments were
> surely not meant to disturb anyone and I still don't see anything
> inappropriate there, but it can be that native speakers find problematic
> language that was not intentionally put there. I don't think this thread
> has anything useful to say any longer, and as I cannot write without being
> misinterpreted, I'll be happy to move over and remind that I welcome any
> constructive offer for help in any fields.


I agree with Andrea, helping is worth more than just writing words, and I
think it is better to try and read mails with a positive filter. Non-native
speakers will from time to time have wording that native speakers can
twist.....but remember this is not a court house, it is a place with room
for everybody, so please think positive when reading mails.

rgds
jan i

>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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