On 07/03/2015 Dave Barton wrote:
Simon Phipps wrote:
when one does not have access to the privileged
conversations of the PMC, actions that use those conversations as
justification appear hostile, as do dismissive PMC member reactions

Well, if it is true (and it is true) that the private list is visible to 400+ people (more than this list's subscribers) and that, while mistakes are surely possible and surely have happened, the private list is not being abused and discussions that do not belong there are often moved to the dev list with full context, then I feel it's important to point it out. You are suggesting a usage pattern of the private list that is far beyond reality.

Apache OpenOffice is a model of transparency compared to other, even open source, projects. The importance some people give to private conversations is really, really exaggerated. But if we continue discussing this we fall easily in a "conspiracy theory" model, so I prefer that we get more concrete. On my behalf, be reassured that when I see a private conversation that ought to be public I will point it out.

+100%
Thank you Simon.

What about actually doing something? You Simon and Dave combined already have all privileges needed to keep the page with moderators' names updated if you believe it's really important for you. If you two pledge to keep it updated, I, for one, will see my primary reason for removing names (i.e., they are blatantly outdated) addressed. If you are willing to help, we can surely fix details.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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