On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:21 AM, Jörg Schmidt < > joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hello *, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So...this thread does not meet "lazy consensus" but are we > ready to > >> >> >> > implement this addition, without further changes, anyway? > >> >> >> > I'll be happy to > >> >> >> > take care of this either later today or tomorrow if we are. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Can you please summarize what the solution should look like? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The thread is long and I have somewhat lost track as "point # 4" > >> should > >> >> be > >> >> >> changed. > >> >> >> Should he ever be changed or what says: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ... Can be eased a bit as it is clear enough did the > >> >> >> > Items are with and for our project, respectively. product. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> In particular, it would be important for me to know whether I can > >> change > >> >> >> my website (http://www.jm-schmidt.de/inhalt.html) or must. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Greetings, > >> >> >> Jörg > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > My take on this discussion so far (and I am certainly NOT the > >> definitive > >> >> > judge on this): > >> >> > > >> >> > * there is the listing on the consultants page itself: > >> >> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I wrote that page, so it might not be too presumptuous if I say what > I > >> >> meant when I wrote it ;-) > >> >> > >> >> The guideline is that the 3rd party pages must "respect ASF > >> >> Trademarks". This is vague, but intentionally so. I think we'll > all > >> >> be more accurate judges of what is wrong when we see it than we are > >> >> predictors of all things that could possibly be wrong. So the > >> >> discretion is given to the PMC to take this on a case-by-case basis. > >> >> We should be looking at each submission and their linked websites as > a > >> >> whole. > >> >> > >> >> The kinds of abuses I had in mind were mainly pages that implied that > >> >> the services were endorsed or affiliated with the ASF. This is much > >> >> more than technicalities of whether or not a (TM) symbol is used. > For > >> >> example, a page that calls itself "Apache OpenOffice (TM) Consulting > >> >> Group" would *not* be OK. We don't want our trademarks used as > >> >> adjectives, since that suggests an affiliation. > >> >> > >> >> I also had in mind that we might need to correct names where they are > >> >> misstated, e.g., "Apache Open Office", "Apache Openoffice", > >> >> "OpenOffice.org", etc. > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> > >> >> -Rob > >> >> > >> > > >> > OK -- I think we should go ahead with this. Unfortunately, testing > with > >> my > >> > private web area on my box, my server is balking at the ".xsl" page > that > >> > goes with this...so... > >> > > >> > >> The command line should look something like: > >> > >> xsltproc -o consultants.html --stringparam locale en to-html.xsl > >> consultants.xml > >> > >> You can switch locales by setting different values via stringparam > >> parameter. > >> > >> Other XSLT engines should work, but the command line would be different. > >> > > > > ok, that's not what I was using...this seems to work and not complain > about > > the stylesheet being invalid. > > > > > >> > >> > Rob, since you have always taken care of this in the past, I would be > >> fine > >> > and dandy with you committing this change -- wearing your Apache hat > >> > instead of your IBM one of course. ;) > >> > > >> > >> Sure, I can do it next week when I am at my desk. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Rob > >> > > > > Anyway, I was just about to do this when I see that there is no "contact" > > info -- e-mail, phone etc. -- supplied with this listing as with the > > others. I see there's a phone number supplied on the website, so maybe > just > > include that? > > > > If you include the phone number you would also want to include the > "priority code" that is on the webpage. Or don't have a phone > number. > > -Rob > I felt odd about suggesting this at all -- but it just looked a bit out of place with the other listings we have without some contact information. So, with your OK, I will add the phone number and priority code and get on with this. Of course, it can always be changed. > > > > >> > >> > So sorry about this -- I guess it's time for more of us to give this > >> area a > >> > bit more attention. > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > concerning the actual content we are discussing. This does not > have a > >> >> (TM) > >> >> > after Apache OpenOffice. I thought this was the original cause of > >> >> objection. > >> >> > > >> >> > And, we can see from the listings on the consultants page that we > did > >> not > >> >> > enforce a (TM) after Apache OpenOffice on the consultants page. > >> >> > > >> >> > * there are the actual websites of the consultants, like yours, and > >> this > >> >> > submitted one up for consideration. > >> >> > > >> >> > It seems there is more concern to enforce a (TM) symbol after > Apache > >> >> > OpenOffice for these third party websites. However, this is not > >> >> something > >> >> > required by Apache. > >> >> > > >> >> > See: > >> >> > > >> >> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#attribution > >> >> > > >> >> > The important factor is referencing OpenOffice as "Apache > OpenOffice", > >> >> and > >> >> > not the use the of the (TM) after the name. > >> >> > > >> >> > The website, http://www.jm-schmidt.de/inhalt.html, seems to have > all > >> >> bases > >> >> > covered near as I can tell -- correct naming and use of (TM). > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > MzK > >> >> > > >> >> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > >> >> > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > >> >> > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > >> >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > MzK > >> > > >> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > >> > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > >> > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
