On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >> > >> >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:21 AM, Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Hello *, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] >> >> >> >> >> >> > So...this thread does not meet "lazy consensus" but are we ready to >> >> >> > implement this addition, without further changes, anyway? >> >> >> > I'll be happy to >> >> >> > take care of this either later today or tomorrow if we are. >> >> >> >> >> >> Can you please summarize what the solution should look like? >> >> >> >> >> >> The thread is long and I have somewhat lost track as "point # 4" >> should >> >> be >> >> >> changed. >> >> >> Should he ever be changed or what says: >> >> >> >> >> >> > ... Can be eased a bit as it is clear enough did the >> >> >> > Items are with and for our project, respectively. product. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In particular, it would be important for me to know whether I can >> change >> >> >> my website (http://www.jm-schmidt.de/inhalt.html) or must. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> >> Jörg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > My take on this discussion so far (and I am certainly NOT the >> definitive >> >> > judge on this): >> >> > >> >> > * there is the listing on the consultants page itself: >> >> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html >> >> > >> >> >> >> I wrote that page, so it might not be too presumptuous if I say what I >> >> meant when I wrote it ;-) >> >> >> >> The guideline is that the 3rd party pages must "respect ASF >> >> Trademarks". This is vague, but intentionally so. I think we'll all >> >> be more accurate judges of what is wrong when we see it than we are >> >> predictors of all things that could possibly be wrong. So the >> >> discretion is given to the PMC to take this on a case-by-case basis. >> >> We should be looking at each submission and their linked websites as a >> >> whole. >> >> >> >> The kinds of abuses I had in mind were mainly pages that implied that >> >> the services were endorsed or affiliated with the ASF. This is much >> >> more than technicalities of whether or not a (TM) symbol is used. For >> >> example, a page that calls itself "Apache OpenOffice (TM) Consulting >> >> Group" would *not* be OK. We don't want our trademarks used as >> >> adjectives, since that suggests an affiliation. >> >> >> >> I also had in mind that we might need to correct names where they are >> >> misstated, e.g., "Apache Open Office", "Apache Openoffice", >> >> "OpenOffice.org", etc. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> -Rob >> >> >> > >> > OK -- I think we should go ahead with this. Unfortunately, testing with >> my >> > private web area on my box, my server is balking at the ".xsl" page that >> > goes with this...so... >> > >> >> The command line should look something like: >> >> xsltproc -o consultants.html --stringparam locale en to-html.xsl >> consultants.xml >> >> You can switch locales by setting different values via stringparam >> parameter. >> >> Other XSLT engines should work, but the command line would be different. >> > > ok, that's not what I was using...this seems to work and not complain about > the stylesheet being invalid. > > >> >> > Rob, since you have always taken care of this in the past, I would be >> fine >> > and dandy with you committing this change -- wearing your Apache hat >> > instead of your IBM one of course. ;) >> > >> >> Sure, I can do it next week when I am at my desk. >> >> Regards, >> >> -Rob >> > > Anyway, I was just about to do this when I see that there is no "contact" > info -- e-mail, phone etc. -- supplied with this listing as with the > others. I see there's a phone number supplied on the website, so maybe just > include that? >
If you include the phone number you would also want to include the "priority code" that is on the webpage. Or don't have a phone number. -Rob > >> >> > So sorry about this -- I guess it's time for more of us to give this >> area a >> > bit more attention. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > concerning the actual content we are discussing. This does not have a >> >> (TM) >> >> > after Apache OpenOffice. I thought this was the original cause of >> >> objection. >> >> > >> >> > And, we can see from the listings on the consultants page that we did >> not >> >> > enforce a (TM) after Apache OpenOffice on the consultants page. >> >> > >> >> > * there are the actual websites of the consultants, like yours, and >> this >> >> > submitted one up for consideration. >> >> > >> >> > It seems there is more concern to enforce a (TM) symbol after Apache >> >> > OpenOffice for these third party websites. However, this is not >> >> something >> >> > required by Apache. >> >> > >> >> > See: >> >> > >> >> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#attribution >> >> > >> >> > The important factor is referencing OpenOffice as "Apache OpenOffice", >> >> and >> >> > not the use the of the (TM) after the name. >> >> > >> >> > The website, http://www.jm-schmidt.de/inhalt.html, seems to have all >> >> bases >> >> > covered near as I can tell -- correct naming and use of (TM). >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > MzK >> >> > >> >> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, >> >> > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” >> >> > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > MzK >> > >> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, >> > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” >> > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MzK > > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
