On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:21 AM, Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hello *, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] > >> >> > >> >> > So...this thread does not meet "lazy consensus" but are we ready to > >> >> > implement this addition, without further changes, anyway? > >> >> > I'll be happy to > >> >> > take care of this either later today or tomorrow if we are. > >> >> > >> >> Can you please summarize what the solution should look like? > >> >> > >> >> The thread is long and I have somewhat lost track as "point # 4" > should > >> be > >> >> changed. > >> >> Should he ever be changed or what says: > >> >> > >> >> > ... Can be eased a bit as it is clear enough did the > >> >> > Items are with and for our project, respectively. product. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> In particular, it would be important for me to know whether I can > change > >> >> my website (http://www.jm-schmidt.de/inhalt.html) or must. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Greetings, > >> >> Jörg > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> >> > >> >> > >> > My take on this discussion so far (and I am certainly NOT the > definitive > >> > judge on this): > >> > > >> > * there is the listing on the consultants page itself: > >> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html > >> > > >> > >> I wrote that page, so it might not be too presumptuous if I say what I > >> meant when I wrote it ;-) > >> > >> The guideline is that the 3rd party pages must "respect ASF > >> Trademarks". This is vague, but intentionally so. I think we'll all > >> be more accurate judges of what is wrong when we see it than we are > >> predictors of all things that could possibly be wrong. So the > >> discretion is given to the PMC to take this on a case-by-case basis. > >> We should be looking at each submission and their linked websites as a > >> whole. > >> > >> The kinds of abuses I had in mind were mainly pages that implied that > >> the services were endorsed or affiliated with the ASF. This is much > >> more than technicalities of whether or not a (TM) symbol is used. For > >> example, a page that calls itself "Apache OpenOffice (TM) Consulting > >> Group" would *not* be OK. We don't want our trademarks used as > >> adjectives, since that suggests an affiliation. > >> > >> I also had in mind that we might need to correct names where they are > >> misstated, e.g., "Apache Open Office", "Apache Openoffice", > >> "OpenOffice.org", etc. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Rob > >> > > > > OK -- I think we should go ahead with this. Unfortunately, testing with > my > > private web area on my box, my server is balking at the ".xsl" page that > > goes with this...so... > > > > The command line should look something like: > > xsltproc -o consultants.html --stringparam locale en to-html.xsl > consultants.xml > > You can switch locales by setting different values via stringparam > parameter. > > Other XSLT engines should work, but the command line would be different. > ok, that's not what I was using...this seems to work and not complain about the stylesheet being invalid. > > > Rob, since you have always taken care of this in the past, I would be > fine > > and dandy with you committing this change -- wearing your Apache hat > > instead of your IBM one of course. ;) > > > > Sure, I can do it next week when I am at my desk. > > Regards, > > -Rob > Anyway, I was just about to do this when I see that there is no "contact" info -- e-mail, phone etc. -- supplied with this listing as with the others. I see there's a phone number supplied on the website, so maybe just include that? > > > So sorry about this -- I guess it's time for more of us to give this > area a > > bit more attention. > > > > > >> > >> > concerning the actual content we are discussing. This does not have a > >> (TM) > >> > after Apache OpenOffice. I thought this was the original cause of > >> objection. > >> > > >> > And, we can see from the listings on the consultants page that we did > not > >> > enforce a (TM) after Apache OpenOffice on the consultants page. > >> > > >> > * there are the actual websites of the consultants, like yours, and > this > >> > submitted one up for consideration. > >> > > >> > It seems there is more concern to enforce a (TM) symbol after Apache > >> > OpenOffice for these third party websites. However, this is not > >> something > >> > required by Apache. > >> > > >> > See: > >> > > >> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#attribution > >> > > >> > The important factor is referencing OpenOffice as "Apache OpenOffice", > >> and > >> > not the use the of the (TM) after the name. > >> > > >> > The website, http://www.jm-schmidt.de/inhalt.html, seems to have all > >> bases > >> > covered near as I can tell -- correct naming and use of (TM). > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > MzK > >> > > >> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > >> > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > >> > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, > > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” > > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
