On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> . > >> >>> . > >> >>> . > >> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> >>> > Levels in which we might do things: > >> >>> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 1 -- Do nothing but watch for abuses. If someone > >> wants to > >> >>> >>> sell > >> >>> >>> >>> > a CD, then they are free to do it, per the license. They > can > >> >>> >>> >>> > advertise on eBay, their website, etc., but they have no > >> >>> permission > >> >>> >>> to > >> >>> >>> >>> > use the trademarks. Nothing special on our website. > >> >>> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 2 -- We allow a listing on our website (or wiki) of > >> those > >> >>> who > >> >>> >>> >>> > offer CDs. But we make no attempt to verify anything. > It is > >> >>> all > >> >>> >>> >>> > "caveat emptor". We put in disclaimers on the page so > users > >> >>> know > >> >>> >>> that > >> >>> >>> >>> > we have not vetted anything. > >> >>> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 3 -- We review requests for listing and approve them > >> only > >> >>> if > >> >>> >>> >>> > they meet our qualifications, which might include proper > use > >> of > >> >>> >>> >>> > trademarks, a link back to our website, etc. This is > similar > >> to > >> >>> what > >> >>> >>> >>> > we did with consultants. > >> >>> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 4 -- Like Level 3, but for those distributors who > meet > >> our > >> >>> >>> >>> > qualifications we offer a special logo they can use, > >> something > >> >>> like > >> >>> >>> a > >> >>> >>> >>> > "Community Distributor". > >> >>> >>> >>> > > >> >>> . > >> >>> . > >> >>> . > >> >>> > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> > It seems there is at least some consensus of moving ahead with a > CD > >> >>> vendor > >> >>> > page similar to the consultants page: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html > >> >>> > > >> >>> > so, Rob, if you feel inclined to work on #1 and #2 from your > >> suggestions > >> >>> > above, please feel free to draft up something for us to review. > Then > >> >>> move > >> >>> > on to #3? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> We might be able to jump directly to #3. We don't need to do #1 or > #2 > >> >>> first. > >> >>> > >> >>> I've started to draft the "Distributor Best Practices" page here: > >> >>> > >> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/best-practices.html > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> ok, this looks pretty good... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> I think in the end we need three pages: > >> >>> > >> >>> 1) The main page, which is the listings page. > >> >>> > >> >>> 2) The Distributor Best Practices page > >> >>> > >> >>> 3) An instructions page for would-be distributors, of how to get > >> >>> listed. It might grow over time to include links to ISO's, CD > labels, > >> >>> etc., in the future. > >> >>> > >> >>> These pages would be cross-linked. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > So, we don't have to un-reroute what we've already done with the > old > >> >>> > distribution area, I'm inclined to put this new CD page(s) in > bizdev > >> >>> also. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > I'm hoping we can just implement this with xml and xslt. I'll do > some > >> >>> > testing in a day or so. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> That could be done now or later on. It is OK to start with a static > >> >>> HTML page (not MDText) and prototype the design and even go live > with > >> >>> it, and then add the XSLT automation to generate it later. > Depending > >> >>> on the number of listings automation might not be needed. > >> >>> > >> >>> Do you want to mock up a distributor listings page? > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> Yes, I can do this over the next day or so I think. I just do up a > >> static > >> >> HTML as you suggest. Maybe like the old listing but without the > region > >> info > >> >> -- to start. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I started looking at some XML, and XSL just now, and well, not sure > how > >> >> this could be handled with the CMS vis a vis standard page headers > etc. > >> >> We could probaly define a "new" page type. > >> >> > >> >> For now, static HTML it is. > >> >> > >> > > >> > OK, start here (revision of /distribution/index.html) > >> > > >> > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/index_new.html > >> > > >> > >> This is a good start. > >> > >> I wonder if the main page (index.html) should the end-user facing > >> page, e.g., the distributor listings? And then have the FAQ be in > >> distributor-faqs.html or something like that? > > > > > > This might be a good idea. The main facing page IS a bit "preachy" I > guess. > > The legacy Distribution project's main index page was more like a > > combination of the FAQ and "best practices" with links to CDs, etc. But > if > > we're only going to be dealing with CDs, no reason to keep that > > organization, and it would probably be more friendly for users. (I have > an > > archive of the old /distribution/index.html). > > > > > > > > > >> Not a big deal, just > >> an idea. Do we know what existing incoming links from 3rd party > >> websites point to? > > > > > > I can't answer this one. > > > > I did some research and found: > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ (1183 links from 76 domains) > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/sellers.html (273 links > from 78 domains) > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/ (3728 links from 242 > domains) > > > > > > > >> (or even OO websites?) > > > > > > Because "distribution" used to be a separate project, there are many > links > > to "distribution.openoffice.org" and a fair number JUST the cdrom area. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever URL was used for > >> the distributor list before should probably stay as the listing page. > >> That way the existing links will still be accurate. > >> > >> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html > >> > > > > Since there were more than just CD vendors before, I think the page you > > would want to keep the same would be: > > > > /distribution/cdrom/sellers.html --and/or-- > /distribution/cdrom/index.html > > > > It looks like the cdrom/index.html was the most popular one. So maybe > make that the primary one and redirect or link the others. > cdrom/sellers/html ( the one I recently modified) and cdrom/index.html were/are identical. So, when we're ready to go, I'll just copy sellers.html to index.html For now, I left cdrom/index.html as it is. > > > The two pages above are in my old archive and are practically identical. > > > > I used this as kind of a template for: > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html > > > > So... we could: > > * replace the old sellers.html with the contents that is now in > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html > > and make that the landing page > > > > and, then have THAT link to the FAQ, and Best Practices which are locate > in: > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution< > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html> > > > > I suggest we just leave the /distribution/index.html ( the FAQs) where > > they are as there are some cases where links still exist to " > > distribution.openoffice.org" so that would still resolve. > > > > I guess we can discuss other matters once we get these moved where we > want > > them to eventually go. > > > > > > > >> Instead of "Location" > > > > > > I thought this was supposed to be where the company was located... > > > > Sure. > > > > >> maybe "Countries Served" or something like that. > >> Or, in the application process we have a "data dictionary" that > >> explains exactly what we want in each field. (I'm assuming that it > >> would be common for someone in the US to be able to sent to Canada > >> easily, and someone within the EU can cover more than one country if > >> they want. > >> > >> "Additional Information"? I'd drop that unless we think it is really > >> necessary. Otherwise it is easy for that to turn into an > >> advertisement. Additional information can go on their website. > >> > > > > Maybe indicate if the medium is CD or DVD? And for what OS versions? > > This might save users some clicks. > > > > If we link these are useful we might just add columns specifical for > "Medium" and "OS". It will make it easier for users to visually scan > the table if things are in the same place for every entry. > Yes, I thought about that right after I sent this. I just added these columns to /cdrom/sellers.html. > > > >> > >> > Mockups needing MUCH discussion I'm sure. > >> > > >> > >> It is a good start. Maybe we iterate just a little bit more and then > >> do the Call for Comments on the blog, so we can get some distributor > >> and user views on this. > >> > > > > OK, I can start moving things around soonish. > > > > OK. Thanks. I'll start revising the blog post I had started, to > turn it into a Call for Comments. > > -Rob > Great! I think getting this listing back up is sure to make some of our supporters happy. > > > > > >> > >> I'm also thinking that a CD label graphic from the project would be a > >> very good thing. Almost every distributor would want one. We can > >> avoid a lot of trademark use review requests if we have a label that > >> can be used by listed distributors. > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> Regards, > >> >>> > >> >>> -Rob > >> >>> > >> >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> MzK > >> >> > >> >> "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away > >> from." > >> >> > >> >> -- Jodie Foster > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > MzK > >> > > >> > "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away > from." > >> > > >> > -- Jodie Foster > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Opinions expressed in this communication reflect the author's > >> individual personal view, not necessarily that of an amorphous > >> collective. 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