On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> . >> >>> . >> >>> . >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Levels in which we might do things: >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 1 -- Do nothing but watch for abuses. If someone >> wants to >> >>> >>> sell >> >>> >>> >>> > a CD, then they are free to do it, per the license. They >> can >> >>> >>> >>> > advertise on eBay, their website, etc., but they have no >> >>> permission >> >>> >>> to >> >>> >>> >>> > use the trademarks. Nothing special on our website. >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 2 -- We allow a listing on our website (or wiki) of >> those >> >>> who >> >>> >>> >>> > offer CDs. But we make no attempt to verify anything. It >> is >> >>> all >> >>> >>> >>> > "caveat emptor". We put in disclaimers on the page so users >> >>> know >> >>> >>> that >> >>> >>> >>> > we have not vetted anything. >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 3 -- We review requests for listing and approve them >> only >> >>> if >> >>> >>> >>> > they meet our qualifications, which might include proper >> use of >> >>> >>> >>> > trademarks, a link back to our website, etc. This is >> similar to >> >>> what >> >>> >>> >>> > we did with consultants. >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 4 -- Like Level 3, but for those distributors who >> meet our >> >>> >>> >>> > qualifications we offer a special logo they can use, >> something >> >>> like >> >>> >>> a >> >>> >>> >>> > "Community Distributor". >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> . >> >>> . >> >>> . >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> > It seems there is at least some consensus of moving ahead with a CD >> >>> vendor >> >>> > page similar to the consultants page: >> >>> > >> >>> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html >> >>> > >> >>> > so, Rob, if you feel inclined to work on #1 and #2 from your >> suggestions >> >>> > above, please feel free to draft up something for us to review. Then >> >>> move >> >>> > on to #3? >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> We might be able to jump directly to #3. We don't need to do #1 or #2 >> >>> first. >> >>> >> >>> I've started to draft the "Distributor Best Practices" page here: >> >>> >> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/best-practices.html >> >>> >> >> >> >> ok, this looks pretty good... >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> I think in the end we need three pages: >> >>> >> >>> 1) The main page, which is the listings page. >> >>> >> >>> 2) The Distributor Best Practices page >> >>> >> >>> 3) An instructions page for would-be distributors, of how to get >> >>> listed. It might grow over time to include links to ISO's, CD labels, >> >>> etc., in the future. >> >>> >> >>> These pages would be cross-linked. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > So, we don't have to un-reroute what we've already done with the >> old >> >>> > distribution area, I'm inclined to put this new CD page(s) in bizdev >> >>> also. >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm hoping we can just implement this with xml and xslt. I'll do >> some >> >>> > testing in a day or so. >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> That could be done now or later on. It is OK to start with a static >> >>> HTML page (not MDText) and prototype the design and even go live with >> >>> it, and then add the XSLT automation to generate it later. Depending >> >>> on the number of listings automation might not be needed. >> >>> >> >>> Do you want to mock up a distributor listings page? >> >>> >> >> >> >> Yes, I can do this over the next day or so I think. I just do up a >> static >> >> HTML as you suggest. Maybe like the old listing but without the region >> info >> >> -- to start. >> >> >> >> >> >> I started looking at some XML, and XSL just now, and well, not sure how >> >> this could be handled with the CMS vis a vis standard page headers >> etc. >> >> We could probaly define a "new" page type. >> >> >> >> For now, static HTML it is. >> >> >> > >> > OK, start here (revision of /distribution/index.html) >> > >> > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/index_new.html >> > >> >> This is a good start. >> >> I wonder if the main page (index.html) should the end-user facing >> page, e.g., the distributor listings? And then have the FAQ be in >> distributor-faqs.html or something like that? > > > This might be a good idea. The main facing page IS a bit "preachy" I > guess. The legacy Distribution project's main index page was more like a > combination of the FAQ and "best practices" with links to CDs, etc. But if > we're only going to be dealing with CDs, no reason to keep that > organization, and it would probably be more friendly for users. (I have an > archive of the old /distribution/index.html). > > > > >> Not a big deal, just >> an idea. Do we know what existing incoming links from 3rd party >> websites point to? > > > I can't answer this one. > > > >> (or even OO websites?) > > > Because "distribution" used to be a separate project, there are many links > to "distribution.openoffice.org" and a fair number JUST the cdrom area. > > > > > > > > Whatever URL was used for >> the distributor list before should probably stay as the listing page. >> That way the existing links will still be accurate. >> >> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html >> > > Since there were more than just CD vendors before, I think the page you > would want to keep the same would be: > > /distribution/cdrom/sellers.html --and/or-- > /distribution/cdrom/index.html > > The two pages above are in my old archive and are practically identical. > > I used this as kind of a template for: > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html > > So... we could: > * replace the old sellers.html with the contents that is now in > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html > and make that the landing page > > and, then have THAT link to the FAQ, and Best Practices which are locate > in: > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution<http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html> > > I suggest we just leave the /distribution/index.html ( the FAQs) where > they are as there are some cases where links still exist to " > distribution.openoffice.org" so that would still resolve. > > I guess we can discuss other matters once we get these moved where we want > them to eventually go. > > > >> Instead of "Location" > > > I thought this was supposed to be where the company was located... > > >> maybe "Countries Served" or something like that. >> Or, in the application process we have a "data dictionary" that >> explains exactly what we want in each field. (I'm assuming that it >> would be common for someone in the US to be able to sent to Canada >> easily, and someone within the EU can cover more than one country if >> they want. >> >> "Additional Information"? I'd drop that unless we think it is really >> necessary. Otherwise it is easy for that to turn into an >> advertisement. Additional information can go on their website. >> > > Maybe indicate if the medium is CD or DVD? And for what OS versions? > This might save users some clicks. > > >> >> > Mockups needing MUCH discussion I'm sure. >> > >> >> It is a good start. Maybe we iterate just a little bit more and then >> do the Call for Comments on the blog, so we can get some distributor >> and user views on this. >> > > OK, I can start moving things around soonish. > Maybe start from the new listing location now and see how things are progressing: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/sellers.html /distribution/cdrom/sellers.html will also be copies to /distribution/cdrom/index.html > > >> >> I'm also thinking that a CD label graphic from the project would be a >> very good thing. Almost every distributor would want one. We can >> avoid a lot of trademark use review requests if we have a label that >> can be used by listed distributors. >> > Good idea! Using our new logo -- but we still need just the new orb for this. > >> -Rob >> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> >> >>> -Rob >> >>> >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> MzK >> >> >> >> "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away >> from." >> >> >> >> -- Jodie Foster >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > MzK >> > >> > "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away >> from." >> > >> > -- Jodie Foster >> >> >> >> -- >> Opinions expressed in this communication reflect the author's >> individual personal view, not necessarily that of an amorphous >> collective. 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