On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> . >> >>> . >> >>> . >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Levels in which we might do things: >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 1 -- Do nothing but watch for abuses. If someone >> wants to >> >>> >>> sell >> >>> >>> >>> > a CD, then they are free to do it, per the license. They can >> >>> >>> >>> > advertise on eBay, their website, etc., but they have no >> >>> permission >> >>> >>> to >> >>> >>> >>> > use the trademarks. Nothing special on our website. >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 2 -- We allow a listing on our website (or wiki) of >> those >> >>> who >> >>> >>> >>> > offer CDs. But we make no attempt to verify anything. It is >> >>> all >> >>> >>> >>> > "caveat emptor". We put in disclaimers on the page so users >> >>> know >> >>> >>> that >> >>> >>> >>> > we have not vetted anything. >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 3 -- We review requests for listing and approve them >> only >> >>> if >> >>> >>> >>> > they meet our qualifications, which might include proper use >> of >> >>> >>> >>> > trademarks, a link back to our website, etc. This is similar >> to >> >>> what >> >>> >>> >>> > we did with consultants. >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > Level 4 -- Like Level 3, but for those distributors who meet >> our >> >>> >>> >>> > qualifications we offer a special logo they can use, >> something >> >>> like >> >>> >>> a >> >>> >>> >>> > "Community Distributor". >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> . >> >>> . >> >>> . >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> > It seems there is at least some consensus of moving ahead with a CD >> >>> vendor >> >>> > page similar to the consultants page: >> >>> > >> >>> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html >> >>> > >> >>> > so, Rob, if you feel inclined to work on #1 and #2 from your >> suggestions >> >>> > above, please feel free to draft up something for us to review. Then >> >>> move >> >>> > on to #3? >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> We might be able to jump directly to #3. We don't need to do #1 or #2 >> >>> first. >> >>> >> >>> I've started to draft the "Distributor Best Practices" page here: >> >>> >> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/best-practices.html >> >>> >> >> >> >> ok, this looks pretty good... >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> I think in the end we need three pages: >> >>> >> >>> 1) The main page, which is the listings page. >> >>> >> >>> 2) The Distributor Best Practices page >> >>> >> >>> 3) An instructions page for would-be distributors, of how to get >> >>> listed. It might grow over time to include links to ISO's, CD labels, >> >>> etc., in the future. >> >>> >> >>> These pages would be cross-linked. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > So, we don't have to un-reroute what we've already done with the old >> >>> > distribution area, I'm inclined to put this new CD page(s) in bizdev >> >>> also. >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm hoping we can just implement this with xml and xslt. I'll do some >> >>> > testing in a day or so. >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> That could be done now or later on. It is OK to start with a static >> >>> HTML page (not MDText) and prototype the design and even go live with >> >>> it, and then add the XSLT automation to generate it later. Depending >> >>> on the number of listings automation might not be needed. >> >>> >> >>> Do you want to mock up a distributor listings page? >> >>> >> >> >> >> Yes, I can do this over the next day or so I think. I just do up a >> static >> >> HTML as you suggest. Maybe like the old listing but without the region >> info >> >> -- to start. >> >> >> >> >> >> I started looking at some XML, and XSL just now, and well, not sure how >> >> this could be handled with the CMS vis a vis standard page headers etc. >> >> We could probaly define a "new" page type. >> >> >> >> For now, static HTML it is. >> >> >> > >> > OK, start here (revision of /distribution/index.html) >> > >> > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/index_new.html >> > >> >> This is a good start. >> >> I wonder if the main page (index.html) should the end-user facing >> page, e.g., the distributor listings? And then have the FAQ be in >> distributor-faqs.html or something like that? > > > This might be a good idea. The main facing page IS a bit "preachy" I guess. > The legacy Distribution project's main index page was more like a > combination of the FAQ and "best practices" with links to CDs, etc. But if > we're only going to be dealing with CDs, no reason to keep that > organization, and it would probably be more friendly for users. (I have an > archive of the old /distribution/index.html). > > > > >> Not a big deal, just >> an idea. Do we know what existing incoming links from 3rd party >> websites point to? > > > I can't answer this one. >
I did some research and found: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ (1183 links from 76 domains) http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/sellers.html (273 links from 78 domains) http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/ (3728 links from 242 domains) > > >> (or even OO websites?) > > > Because "distribution" used to be a separate project, there are many links > to "distribution.openoffice.org" and a fair number JUST the cdrom area. > > > > > > > > Whatever URL was used for >> the distributor list before should probably stay as the listing page. >> That way the existing links will still be accurate. >> >> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html >> > > Since there were more than just CD vendors before, I think the page you > would want to keep the same would be: > > /distribution/cdrom/sellers.html --and/or-- /distribution/cdrom/index.html > It looks like the cdrom/index.html was the most popular one. So maybe make that the primary one and redirect or link the others. > The two pages above are in my old archive and are practically identical. > > I used this as kind of a template for: > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html > > So... we could: > * replace the old sellers.html with the contents that is now in > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html > and make that the landing page > > and, then have THAT link to the FAQ, and Best Practices which are locate in: > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution<http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html> > > I suggest we just leave the /distribution/index.html ( the FAQs) where > they are as there are some cases where links still exist to " > distribution.openoffice.org" so that would still resolve. > > I guess we can discuss other matters once we get these moved where we want > them to eventually go. > > > >> Instead of "Location" > > > I thought this was supposed to be where the company was located... > Sure. > >> maybe "Countries Served" or something like that. >> Or, in the application process we have a "data dictionary" that >> explains exactly what we want in each field. (I'm assuming that it >> would be common for someone in the US to be able to sent to Canada >> easily, and someone within the EU can cover more than one country if >> they want. >> >> "Additional Information"? I'd drop that unless we think it is really >> necessary. Otherwise it is easy for that to turn into an >> advertisement. Additional information can go on their website. >> > > Maybe indicate if the medium is CD or DVD? And for what OS versions? > This might save users some clicks. > If we link these are useful we might just add columns specifical for "Medium" and "OS". It will make it easier for users to visually scan the table if things are in the same place for every entry. > >> >> > Mockups needing MUCH discussion I'm sure. >> > >> >> It is a good start. Maybe we iterate just a little bit more and then >> do the Call for Comments on the blog, so we can get some distributor >> and user views on this. >> > > OK, I can start moving things around soonish. > OK. Thanks. I'll start revising the blog post I had started, to turn it into a Call for Comments. -Rob > >> >> I'm also thinking that a CD label graphic from the project would be a >> very good thing. Almost every distributor would want one. We can >> avoid a lot of trademark use review requests if we have a label that >> can be used by listed distributors. >> >> -Rob >> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> >> >>> -Rob >> >>> >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> MzK >> >> >> >> "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away >> from." >> >> >> >> -- Jodie Foster >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > MzK >> > >> > "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away from." >> > >> > -- Jodie Foster >> >> >> >> -- >> Opinions expressed in this communication reflect the author's >> individual personal view, not necessarily that of an amorphous >> collective. 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