On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Samer Mansour <samer...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Rob, >> >> Would I be able to gain access to create this poll? Could you set me up >> and >> send me the details? >> >> I complete the test poll you sent out, there was a couple options shown >> off >> in that. I'd have to see if it allows us to post an image right inside >> the >> survey so they don't need to turn to another tab. >> >> > It can be done, though it is not a standard question type. But for each > question you can define the question itself in HTML, so that can include > <img> tags. > > See: > http://www.aptigence.com.au/home/archives/24-Advanced-Question-Creation-in-LimeSurvey-Using-Pictures.html > > So probably makes sense to first get all the logos resized to > approximately the same dimensions. Then we can build survey questions from > that. > > I'd start with some opening demographic questions: > > 1) Country > > 2) Sex > > 3) Age > > 4) Are you currently an OpenOffice user? > > 4a) If so, for how many years > > (These questions can help us see if there are any important trends, e.g., > maybe logo preferences vary greatly depending on how long one has been an > OpenOffice user, i,e., how exposed you are to current logo versus someone > looking at it from perspective of a new user. Also, having country can > help see if there are any cultural issues that could detract from a given > logo's suitability). > > Then we need to present the logos and get feedback. There are several > ways of doing it. > > A) Could show a grid of all of the images, side-by-side, clearly labeled, > and then give a set of questions, e.g., like a 5-point scale: > > > http://manual.limesurvey.org/wiki/Question_type_-_Array_%285_point_choice%29 > > or > > B) Show one image for each question, with a scoring mechanism like this: > > http://manual.limesurvey.org/wiki/Question_type_-_5_point_choice > > In any case I'll send you access information. > > You should have the access info now. But note the URL has changed. It is now http://survey.openoffice.org//admin/admin.php I've started putting together a poll for the logos, per the above thoughts. Mainly need to add in the images now. Regards, -Rob > -Rob > > > > > > >> Sam >> On Apr 17, 2013 8:08 PM, "Rob Weir" <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Kevin Grignon < >> > kevingrignon...@gmail.com >> > > >wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hello All, >> > > > >> > > > Sorry, i haven't had cycles to work on this. >> > > > >> > > > Please consider these votes a selection of direction as final >> > adjustments >> > > > will need to be made to the graphics and text. >> > > > >> > > > It appears there is interest in a flat treatment. Other than that, >> > > > palette, fonts and relation ship to app icons and other graphics is >> > still >> > > > open. >> > > > >> > > > Sorry to open a can of worms, but design is not linear, is not well >> > > suited >> > > > for polls. Rather, select a direction, say flat, then open a quick >> > > > iteration to explore flat. Incremental decisions will allow us to >> > refine. >> > > > It is not all or nothing. Also, consider the synergy which is >> possible >> > by >> > > > combining elements from different designs. >> > > > >> > > >> > > I think the 5 or 6 (flat design) choices would be well-suited to a >> poll. >> > > Design is not linear as you point out, but a lot of time has already >> been >> > > spent on these proposals I would think. >> > > >> > > To me, there is no harm in a simple poll at this point. I would think >> > > predominant participation would be from existing OpenOffice users, >> but I >> > > could be wrong about this. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > If we want I can put a poll up on http://openofficesurvey.org. I >> could >> > make it a ranked preference poll, where we can sort all of the options. >> > The survey can also have a box for comments. >> > >> > -Rob >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Regards, >> > > > Kevin >> > > > >> > > > On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Samer Mansour < >> samer...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > >> Summary of feedback (which I found made points): >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Samer - Lets go flat, its strong in all aspects brought up. >> > > > >> Kay S. - Agrees with flat logo. Poll should be limited to few. >> > > > >> Robin - Wordmarks need more attention (not logo specific), >> Vasilis >> > > logo >> > > > is >> > > > >> cool, downside too different. Robin made a similar refresh >> > > with/without >> > > > >> feather. Scales his orb down, no indication for his logo >> preference >> > > (he >> > > > did >> > > > >> submit one more). Agrees technical aspect of print, but its not >> > > deciding >> > > > >> factor (I agree but it should be satisfied). >> > > > >> Dave F - Wordmark needs attention as well, likes flat logo. >> > > > >> Dennis - Check with trademark@ >> > > > >> Andrea - Likes orb, not a fan of flat (as its been used as a >> > surrogate >> > > > in >> > > > >> the past due to limitations). >> > > > >> Alexandro - alters Robins logo. >> > > > >> Juergen - What about stand alone logo for buttons, stickers. >> > Proposes >> > > we >> > > > >> should poll. >> > > > >> Kadal - "Because companies do it, we shouldn't?" - not sure that >> is >> > > > >> convincing b/c they pay expert designers. >> > > > >> Vasilis - Likes flat, but wordmark not so much. >> > > > >> Milo - Likes flat, but workmark needs changing, TM placement too. >> > > > >> Rob - Poll, but its not decision making. PMC decides in end. PMC >> > likes >> > > > >> data, more the better (ie. poll data). "Consider conferences and >> > booth >> > > > >> materials, CD prints, etc." >> > > > >> Janl - Agrees poll for decision is bad idea, but poll for data is >> > > good. >> > > > >> "Keep it similar to classic orb". "Doesn't have to be flat" but >> Janl >> > > > >> doesn't state outright if flat is bad. >> > > > >> Graham L - "Logo is not a computer icon". Print is a huge part of >> > > > >> marketing. Print good -> electronically good, but not necessarily >> > > other >> > > > way >> > > > >> around. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> I could set up a visual poll and share multiple time over >> facebook >> > and >> > > > >> social media. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://freeonlinesurveys.com/app/showpoll.asp?qid=244375&sid=xz7athj6ytcg4mb244375&new=True >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Respond with your favourite 3 logo please, or top 2 or 1. The >> logos >> > > that >> > > > >> score the least will be eliminated: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> 1. Flattened Logo >> > > > >> 2. Kevin G. Flat Feather. >> > > > >> 3. third pick abstained. >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > I would also include: >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/31818000/OO_4_final_design_Robin-Fowler.jpg?version=1&modificationDate=1365884183026 >> > > > > >> > > > > Yes, the feather is a bit too big but it could be made smaller... >> > > > > >> > > > > I guess we work on lettering after the logo? >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for all this work by everybody! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >>> On 13 April 2013 16:25, Graham Lauder <y...@apache.org> wrote: >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>>>> Hi Milos, >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Milosh Vujnovic >> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>> Hi guys, >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> just a quick comment and clarification regarding printing and >> > > > >> logos. >> > > > >>>>>> Print-friendly version (vector, CMYK) is crucial to be >> prepared >> > > > >>>>>> during logo design process. This includes color and >> black&white >> > > > >>>>>> version (on light and dark background). >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> I must disagree with the comments on that printing is rarely >> > used >> > > > >>>>>> anymore - few examples include billboards, fair stands, >> business >> > > > >>>>>> cards, letterheads and other stationery, and so on. >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> But OpenOffice is a desktop application. For me, this means >> the >> > > main >> > > > >>>>> focus should be in a logo that looks good everywhere where it >> is >> > > > >> mainly >> > > > >>>>> used, in the user's desktop (even in the window title bar) and >> > the >> > > > >>>>> website (even in the website favicon). Thus, IMHO, printing >> has >> > the >> > > > >>>>> lowest priority. >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> Regards >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> I have been keeping out of this conversation because I don't >> have >> > > time >> > > > >> at >> > > > >>>> the >> > > > >>>> moment to give sufficient focus to OO, but I have been reading >> the >> > > > list >> > > > >>> as >> > > > >>>> I >> > > > >>>> am able. The above statement however prompts me to respond. >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> The main focus of the logo is to identify and attract. The >> > statement >> > > > >>> above >> > > > >>>> shows a limited understanding of marketing. The advent of >> > computers >> > > > >> has >> > > > >>>> far >> > > > >>>> from given us a paperless office, it has in fact increased >> paper >> > > usage >> > > > >>> by a >> > > > >>>> huge margin. Print media is a hugely significant part of >> > marketing >> > > > >>>> collateral. Flyers, posters CD sleeves and labels, business >> cards >> > > > etc. >> > > > >>>> Whenever reviews are printed in magazines there should be a >> logo >> > > with >> > > > >> the >> > > > >>>> article. Logo is not just about finding OO on a computer, >> that's >> > an >> > > > >>> icon. >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> The logo should work in print (specifically worst case scenario >> > > which >> > > > >> is >> > > > >>> 4 >> > > > >>>> colour on newsprint) and it will work digitally, the opposite >> does >> > > not >> > > > >>>> necessarily follow. >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> Cheers >> > > > >>>> GL >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> > > marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> Apart form anything else, why is it so difficult to make a >> vector >> > > image >> > > > >>> that is good on print and on screen? 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