Hello

This is quite a complete report with a lot of details, this shows that you have put some large amount of mental energy in this project, so congratulations and thank you.

What I'm about to write is not a critic but a complement that may interest you.


Since I've worked with critical flash systems for more than 10 years now, I have read the part of your document that deals with power loss with great interest.

Resilience to power loss is *absolutely critical* to any embedded filesystem.


Did you do power interruption tests on your code? Can you guarantee that the device format stays consistent/recoverable when the power is cut at any code location? Did you identify power critical code sections (with relation to power cut, not cpu access) ?

Remember, if it's not tested, it doesnt work...


The most critical part of your work is the journal. Do you make sure that the checksum is written 1-last, and 2-completely? How do you make sure that the journal entries are correctly applied to their final storage locations?

The largest problem in that area is flash metastability. The checksum MIGHT appear correct on one read, but not correct at the next access. The reason for this is the analog nature of flash writes (and erases), which injects a number of electrons in a floating gate. 0 and 1 bits are separated by thresholds, but these thresholds vary with temperature and time (wear), so it might appear that a bit is correct by being just at the threshold, but the next access will result in a flipped bit.

These issues are NOT theoretical, they happen all the time in all flash devices, you just have to tickle the devices often enough at the right moment so you begin to see these.

These tests require the ability to fully cut the power to a test board with microsecond precision. No need for pulses, just an adjustable delay. Test is triggered by a command that also start a countdown, and timeout is increased microsecond by microsecond until you reach the point that the flash is actually written. Usually, there is a point where timeouts result in partial writes. Then the board will start acting funny and will start entering the error branches that are usually never taken. Board capacitors are not a problem, they just increase the delays. They always discharge the same way during all repeated tests, so they have no influence on the process.

It is quite hard to make sure that everything is correct, but a sufficient amount of dedication is required to be aware of the potential problems.

How do you know in your filesystem that the checksum has been written only after all the previous data are written? How do you know the checksum write is complete. There are software techniques for this. This also requires the flash to support overwrites, so making this work with ECC is harder (but possible).

Fine details absolutely matters here.

Thanks,

Sebastien


On 12/09/2024 17:48, Saurav Pal wrote:
Hi all,

Here's my final report <https://resyfer.github.io/blogs/mnemofs/endeval/>
on mnemofs, a NAND flash file system for NuttX, on which I worked during my
tenure as a GSoC 2024 Contributor for ASF. I would be grateful for any
suggestions and criticism.

Best regards,
Saurav Pal.

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