John McCreesh wrote:

On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 16:36 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote:
On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 09:39 -0400, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
[snip]
fine: we know where you stand.
You clearly don't but don't let that get in the way of objectivity ;-)

Ian and Louis - I'm not picking on either of you - this just happens to
be the latest email I've seen in this chain.

Cristian has already requested we draw a line under the MS-O / ODF
discussion as it's getting increasingly off-topic. As another co-Lead
I'd like to add my weight to that request.

Please folks - enough.

Thanks - John
What we have here is an example of the old FOSS dichotomy.

Do we convince our clients run with OOo

   a) Because it is a great piece of software or
   b) Because it's not Microsoft

Louis falls into the first camp for obvious reasons.(Probably where I fall, because I've been using "OOo" since SO 5.1) Cor and Ian fall into the second camp because they are dealing with clients where MS is the encumbent Ian's comment about Linux being his primary focus and his marketing of OOo is because it runs on Linux reflects the dichotomy. I, for instance, run Linux but only because it runs OOo. If OOo only ran on Windows or Solaris then that's what I'd be using. So we have two valid points in terms of marketing response to MS and ODF adoption that are divided on philosphical grounds. That makes neither of them any less valid.

However it cannot be OOo Marketing's position to try influence the direction that our opposition should take, that is not it's role nor should it be and we're certainly not going convince MS to add an ODF filter because it's good for OOo. The Marketing Project's role is to relate to our clients. We are selling OOo.... We need to think what is good for the client:

   a) Is it good for the client if MS supports ODF?  Yes  of course
   b) Is it good for the client if MS doesn't support ODF?  Yes of course

Both are valid, both can be good for the client and the reasons have already been covered.

So the question is one of priorities.
I think it would go without saying that MS releasing with an ODF filter would be an event of sufficient import that an update of the SMP would be in order. Being prepared for that would not be a bad thing.

In either case the ODF compliance issue is a second or third tier marketing tool, but then only if MSO goes with an ODF filter. Certainly not as a first tier, but then I have a pathological objection to mentioning a competitor in any upper level campaign, so that may be just me.

So for mine, it's something to be used at "point of sale" rather than hanging it on a broad spectrum campaign. When you have the customer at a point when you have a moment to explain the significance and why it should be important to them.


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