</ignore flaming> The most important rule in communicating over the internet is to be very clear. If someone else is unclear, ask for clarification. If you're going to go ahead and assume the meaning of what they said, ALWAYS assume the BEST.
Steven made a mistake by using a wonderfully poetic, but equally unclear and explosive, way of communicating. Chad also did wrong by turning it into a flame war. I've been on here for two days, and already my inbox has been filled with lots of discussion, mainly on stuff that I'm not familiar with, and mostly on stuff that has more to do with internal procedures than with marketing OOo. If the list doesn't have to see it, don't send it to the entire list. More lists is _not_ a solution. I would like to weigh in on the whole "logo" controversy: - I believe that OOo should have a consistent look accross all of the OFFICIAL places that it uses its logos (Openoffice.org, oooforum.com, etc.). This is what is meant by consistency. If someone wants to print off a CD and stick a label on it, they can use a crayon for all I care. I believe that the best intent of the logo is "we will mandate this for our own use, and encourage it for others". That doesn't mean we can't change it in the future if someone comes up with a better one. - Making a single suite of logos that we use (from splash screen, to box packaging, to CD labels, CD packaging, and even the web icons) and making it available as a package will definitely make our preferred logos easier for others to adopt. If some would like changes to be made, it would be better on all sides if we are open to people suggesting we modify the suite of logos (inclusive), than to force them to fork (exclusive). I.e., if we decide on this logo, we're deciding for now, not forever! - Right now, I'm looking at three different OOo icons on my screen, the birds are flying at different angles in each one, they all have different colour schemes, and they are all diferent from the OEM logo now under consideration. - But right now, we want to make an OEM logo, and we currently don't have one. Let's make one, independent of what all the other logos look like, so that we can move on to marketing and shipping this sticker. - When that's done and we have time to make a consistent look for all icons, we can change them then. As a new Marketing volunteer, I have had to fight through a lot of technical jungles and read a lot of lists of procedure just to get involved. We should simplify and clarify the instructions for getting involved so that a person doesn't have to be as hardcore as I am to not get turned off by these obstacles! Use of technology is important to this. On a wiki, it should be easy to look at what has been said and decided, what there is to do, and do it. On a mailing list, there should be more sitting back and seeing how things work, since it is difficult/not possible to look through the archives and parse what information is important (on a wiki, presumably the important information is the stuff that stays up). As I suggested before: - Wiki should be for idea development - Mailing list should be fore discussion and decision making* - Website should be for finished product. As for the project leaders (the initial reason for this debate)... If you're presenting a case, support it. The onus is on you to present support for your argument, not on others to "read back". I for one, am not able to "read back", and even if I could, would not waste my time in doing to. If you're communicating online, if someone offends you, suck it down and be polite. As Mark Twain said, "Don't answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself." *Lastly, this whole process confuses me. Obviously, I have shown that I am a fan of Wikis. However, this group has historically done most of its work on this list. I think it would be easier to keep track of "vote tallies" and people's opinions if they were taken on the wiki. But that's just me. - RG> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
