On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 12:45 -0500, RealGrouchy (CAM) wrote:

>  I've been on here for two days, 

And summed up pretty well most of the issues that have been getting
kicked around for the last few years :-)

> As a new Marketing volunteer, I have had to fight through a lot of
> technical jungles and read a lot of lists of procedure just to get
> involved. We should simplify and clarify the instructions for getting
> involved so that a person doesn't have to be as hardcore as I am to
> not get turned off by these obstacles!

This has in fact been a cause of a lot of the debate over the last year
or two. You are just seeing some of the after-shocks :-)

> Use of technology is important to this. 
> ............(on a wiki, presumably the important information is the 
> stuff that stays up).

Yes, the Wiki should - and I think is and will - make a big difference.

> As for the project leaders (the initial reason for this debate)... If
> you're presenting a case, support it. The onus is on you to present
> support for your argument, not on others to "read back". I for one, am
> not able to "read back", and even if I could, would not waste my time
> in doing to.

In my view, the most significant single act of leadership we have seen
this year is the establishment of the Wiki. I just did a quick search
for Wiki in the marketing list back to 2003. Its enlightening to read
some of the comments and wonder why this didn't happen in an Open Source
project a long time ago. That is the root of the frustration and if you
feel it after 2 days and Steven after a few weeks think what it is like
for people who have been here for years ;-) Think also of those that
left. 

Here is an extract from a private E-mail sent to me on Feb 16 2003 by
someone who quit shortly afterwards.

"Again, where can I put my input and make it visible to this forum for
criticism. I do not care if it is a "wiki" or a "wako". Just start
somewhere if there is nothing, build on what there is but enlighten me
where I can find that "whatever there is"!"

At that time I was arguing for the status quo. I was wrong.

Hopefully the Wiki is the start of better days.

-- 
Ian Lynch
www.theINGOTs.org
www.opendocumentfellowship.org
www.schoolforge.org.uk


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