Daniel Carrera wrote:
Having worked many years for a charity, I can state that these feelings are common to organizations thatCharles-H. Schulz wrote:
sorry, I may have missed something that is, obviously, very important: are you saying that some people or that the MP leads don't create a positive atmosphere, or, worse, that they don't make you feel appreciated?
I don't want to assign blame, that is not conductive to solving things.
Having said that, yes, I am confident that there is a very strong negative atmosphere. I hasten to add, the problem is not unique to MP, and just blaming the MP leads for this is not fair, or conductive to a solution.
So, with that clear, yes. Ideas are shot down, you do lots of work and it goes ignored. I've heard many people say they feel totally ignored by the project. I see it all the time, every day. Frustration is widely spread.
rely on volunteers. This community is certainly of a different nature, but unless there is a structure
put in place to recognize, to reward, and/or to somehow compensate people for the work they
do it simply won't happen. Assuming not everyone is in this altruistically, it seems that some means
to address the issue of recognition for ideas, proposals, and accomplishments need be brought about.
The OO.o community is, obviously, not a business. So monetary rewards/compensation does not come
into play per se, especially in the marketing project. But, it (OO.o) can and does lead to business
opportunity. For those volunteering to write code and using the code base for add-ons, extensions, native
language implementations, etcetera, compensation can come from outside sources. And even
more so, reward comes for many hackers in the form of recognition within one's field and by one's peers.
But again, that references is to coders, not marketers. It's to geek culture that we, as marketers, have attached
ourselves. And moreover, it is open source software development - and that is based on
meritocracy.
So how do marketers recognize and accept new ideas? How do they recognize accomplishment?
Or better yet: How can we as a project do these things? I think communication is the most important
piece. But mailing lists are useful, but only to a point. People often lose sight of their intent and can
forget civility within the confines of e-mail. Once the door to disrespect is opened, it's a herculean
effort to close it. And in no way does it contribute to the betterment of the community. 1 on 1 and
conference calls are the next best to live and in person. How often do these happen in this project?
(Sorry, I'm ignorant to how the communication layers function within the marketing project). Does
the issue of cost preclude these? What other forums are used?
Anyway, the point I'm trying to get to is this: Given the duration and number of issues and sentiments raised in
this last email thread, we should re-think the structure and operation of the marketing project. Even something
as simple as creating a space to post and address ideas, maintain the legacy of those ideas would surely help.
I'm interested in others' thoughts on how we can make the project more productive and inclusive.
Regards,
Eric
But let's not argue about whose fault it is, please.
Let's talk about how to solve it. What do you say?
Cheers,
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