All I can say is +1 Thank you Eric. That was more eloquent than my attempts.
Cheers, Daniel. On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 10:51:27AM -0800, Eric Renaud wrote: > Daniel Carrera wrote: > > >Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > > > > >>sorry, I may have missed something that is, obviously, very important: > >>are you saying that some people or that the MP leads don't create a > >>positive atmosphere, or, worse, that they don't make you feel appreciated? > >> > >> > > > >I don't want to assign blame, that is not conductive to solving things. > > > >Having said that, yes, I am confident that there is a very strong negative > >atmosphere. I hasten to add, the problem is not unique to MP, and just > >blaming the MP leads for this is not fair, or conductive to a solution. > > > >So, with that clear, yes. Ideas are shot down, you do lots of work and it > >goes ignored. I've heard many people say they feel totally ignored by the > >project. I see it all the time, every day. Frustration is widely spread. > > > > > > > Having worked many years for a charity, I can state that these feelings > are common to organizations that > rely on volunteers. This community is certainly of a different nature, > but unless there is a structure > put in place to recognize, to reward, and/or to somehow compensate > people for the work they > do it simply won't happen. Assuming not everyone is in this > altruistically, it seems that some means > to address the issue of recognition for ideas, proposals, and > accomplishments need be brought about. > > The OO.o community is, obviously, not a business. So monetary > rewards/compensation does not come > into play per se, especially in the marketing project. But, it (OO.o) > can and does lead to business > opportunity. For those volunteering to write code and using the code > base for add-ons, extensions, native > language implementations, etcetera, compensation can come from outside > sources. And even > more so, reward comes for many hackers in the form of recognition within > one's field and by one's peers. > But again, that references is to coders, not marketers. It's to geek > culture that we, as marketers, have attached > ourselves. And moreover, it is open source software development - and > that is based on > meritocracy. > > So how do marketers recognize and accept new ideas? How do they > recognize accomplishment? > Or better yet: How can we as a project do these things? I think > communication is the most important > piece. But mailing lists are useful, but only to a point. People often > lose sight of their intent and can > forget civility within the confines of e-mail. Once the door to > disrespect is opened, it's a herculean > effort to close it. And in no way does it contribute to the betterment > of the community. 1 on 1 and > conference calls are the next best to live and in person. How often do > these happen in this project? > (Sorry, I'm ignorant to how the communication layers function within the > marketing project). Does > the issue of cost preclude these? What other forums are used? > > Anyway, the point I'm trying to get to is this: Given the duration and > number of issues and sentiments raised in > this last email thread, we should re-think the structure and operation > of the marketing project. Even something > as simple as creating a space to post and address ideas, maintain the > legacy of those ideas would surely help. > > I'm interested in others' thoughts on how we can make the project more > productive and inclusive. > > Regards, > > Eric > > > > > > > >But let's not argue about whose fault it is, please. > > > >Let's talk about how to solve it. What do you say? > > > >Cheers, > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Daniel Carrera | I don't want it perfect, Join OOoAuthors today! | I want it Tuesday. http://oooauthors.org | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
