I did forward your proposal in its entirety. This trademark stuff is all new to me. I have a duty to not break the rules at Apache and my initial query to trademarks was to get a better understanding of the rules.
So far, based on information in the private discussion, things are going the way you want them. -Alex On 1/5/14 11:38 PM, "Joseph Balderson" <n...@joeflash.ca> wrote: >Alex, how is Apache trademarks going to be aware of the full intent of the >future site if you cannot forward the contents of my proposal detailed >above? I >gotta be honest man, I am really not liking where this is going. Methinks >it >might have been better to allow me the opportunity to describe the >project a >little more formally before submitting a proposal on my behalf? I came to >this >list seeking advice on protocol, not to have the trademark request >submitted >without my knowledge. > >Please advise. >_______________________________________________________________________ > >Joseph Balderson, Flex & Flash Platform Developer :: http://joeflash.ca >Author, Professional Flex 3 :: http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book > >Alex Harui wrote: >> Trademarks is a private list so I can't forward without permission. I >> will say that I did get a response today and the answer was not an >> unequivocal "no". More discussion has to happen in private before a >>final >> ruling is made. >> >> -Alex >> >> On 1/4/14 12:44 PM, "Joseph Balderson" <n...@joeflash.ca> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Alex. If you could forward me a copy of their reply off-list to >>> jbdes...@joeflash.ca and/or forward them my email, that would be >>>greatly >>> appreciated. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Joseph Balderson, Flex & Flash Platform Developer :: http://joeflash.ca >>> Author, Professional Flex 3 :: http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book >>> >>> Joseph Balderson wrote: >>>> My only concern is that, in the absence of the details contained in my >>>> formal >>>> request as outlined below, the initial contact to Apache trademarks >>>> regarding >>>> this issue might not constitute "putting our best foot forward" in >>>> having this >>>> use case approved. And since I do not know the content of your initial >>>> communication to them on my behalf, I cannot say one way or another. >>>>It >>>> would >>>> ease my mind to know that Apache were aware of the contents of my >>>> proposal >>>> before reaching a verdict, which is why I wonder if waiting to send >>>> them this >>>> information would be the wisest course of action. >>>> >>>> Thanks very much for your help, >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Joseph Balderson, Flex & Flash Platform Developer :: >>>>http://joeflash.ca >>>> Author, Professional Flex 3 :: http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book >>>> >>>> Alex Harui wrote: >>>>> Joe, >>>>> >>>>> If it were me, I'd wait until Tuesday to contact trademarks@a.o. >>>>>I've >>>>> already asked trademarks for their guidance on this matter and they >>>>> haven't responded yet. I did see trademarks answer another email, >>>>>but >>>>> they may not be fully engaged and caught up on everything until >>>>>Monday. >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest tweaking it a bit to make it clear you've read the >>>>> domain >>>>> name policy documents on the Apache site, otherwise the first >>>>>response >>>>> you >>>>> get might just be a pointer to those documents. It is pretty clear >>>>>to >>>>> me >>>>> from those documents that you will have to have a disclaimer on your >>>>> site. >>>>> IMO, asking "if desired" implies that you haven't read those >>>>> documents. >>>>> >>>>> -Alex >>>>> >>>>> On 1/3/14 7:17 PM, "Joseph Balderson" <n...@joeflash.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> FYI, here is my official request proposal to Apache. Alex, if you >>>>>> would >>>>>> be so >>>>>> kind as to forward this on to the folks at Apache that would be >>>>>> greatly >>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>-- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> January 3, 2014 >>>>>> >>>>>> To Who It May Concern, >>>>>> >>>>>> My name is Joseph Balderson, and I am a professional ActionScript >>>>>>3.0 >>>>>> developer >>>>>> of 13 years, and a specialist Flex developer for 8 years now as of >>>>>> January 2014. >>>>>> I have been, in my professional life as an ActionScript developer, >>>>>>an >>>>>> Adobe-certified Trainer, a teacher of Flash programming at Humber >>>>>> College >>>>>> in >>>>>> Toronto, a speaker at user groups, and a professional tech writer. I >>>>>> have >>>>>> tech >>>>>> edited a number of books by Peachpit, Friends of Ed and O'Reilly, >>>>>>and >>>>>> in >>>>>> 2009 I >>>>>> lead a 6-person team to write a 1400-page book Professional Adobe >>>>>> Flex 3 >>>>>> by Wrox >>>>>> Publishing, rated 4.5 out of 5 stars on Amazon. >>>>>> >>>>>> With the migration of the Flex framework from Adobe to Apache, good >>>>>> internet >>>>>> resources for Flex have fallen through the cracks, namely Tour De >>>>>> Flex and >>>>>> flexexamples.com, both of which have functioned as essential >>>>>> micro-tutorial >>>>>> resources for the beginner, a quick reference for the more >>>>>>experienced >>>>>> programmer, and visibility on its use to managers and stakeholders. >>>>>> These >>>>>> two >>>>>> resources have yet to be migrated/updated to Apache Flex. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus, seeing a need in the programming community, and wanting to >>>>>>help >>>>>> restore >>>>>> and promote the adoption of Flex for its own sake, I have purchased >>>>>> the >>>>>> domain >>>>>> apacheflexexamples.com, with the intention of turning it into a >>>>>> micro-tutorial >>>>>> site with the same purpose and intent of the former >>>>>>flexexamples.com. >>>>>> (An >>>>>> archive of the site as it existed prior to Flex's migration from >>>>>> Adobe to >>>>>> Apache >>>>>> in 2012 can be seen here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>https://web.archive.org/web/20111010030748/http://blog.flexexamples.c >>>>>>om >>>>>> / >>>>>> ). >>>>>> >>>>>> To be specific, the purpose and features of apacheflexexamples.com >>>>>> will >>>>>> include: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) provide blog-like micro-tutorials; >>>>>> 2) will be administrated and authored by myself, Joseph Balderson >>>>>> 3) tutorials will be short, on average "single page", thus no code >>>>>> repository or >>>>>> downloads of any kind will be necessary; >>>>>> 4) where possible the most recent version of Apache Flex will be >>>>>>used >>>>>> and >>>>>> indicated; >>>>>> 5) an average of one post per business day will be issued on the >>>>>>site; >>>>>> 6) commenting will be disabled, and users will be encouraged to >>>>>> discuss >>>>>> the >>>>>> tutorials on the official us...@flex.apache.org list; >>>>>> 7) an email address will be set up where users can contact the >>>>>> administrator >>>>>> (me) for the specific purpose of pointing out typos or problems >>>>>> specific >>>>>> to the >>>>>> examples which are non-specific to Flex framework errata issues; >>>>>> 8) a resource/"blogroll" list of resource links will be situated in >>>>>>a >>>>>> prominent >>>>>> location in the left or right column so as to help users refer to >>>>>> official >>>>>> Apache Flex resources; >>>>>> 9) if desired, to avoid confusion with official Apache websites, a >>>>>> disclaimer >>>>>> similar to what is currently used in book titles and other >>>>>> publications >>>>>> will be >>>>>> indicated at the top of every page, "Apache, Apache Flex, and Flex >>>>>>are >>>>>> trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. Used with permission. >>>>>>No >>>>>> endorsement by The Apache Software Foundation is implied by the use >>>>>>of >>>>>> these marks." >>>>>> 10) no personal promotions (other than an author credit on my part), >>>>>> nor >>>>>> any >>>>>> product reviews, endorsements or sales of any kind will be permitted >>>>>> on >>>>>> the >>>>>> site: it is strictly for micro-tutorials pertaining to the Apache >>>>>>Flex >>>>>> framework. (See the flexexamples.com archive as an example) >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition, if there comes a time when I am no longer willing or >>>>>> able to >>>>>> administer the site or keep up a reasonable posting frequency, I >>>>>>will >>>>>> commit in >>>>>> writing to donating the domain and the site administration to the >>>>>> Apache >>>>>> Flex group. >>>>>> >>>>>> The aim is to have a few dozen examples blogged and ready to go >>>>>>prior >>>>>> to >>>>>> launch >>>>>> sometime in February of 2014. A private beta will be issued, to be >>>>>> reviewed by >>>>>> the Apache Flex development team (and the legal department at Apache >>>>>> if >>>>>> such is >>>>>> desired) to ensure everyone concerned is satisfied with the end >>>>>>result >>>>>> prior to >>>>>> launch. Once the site is launched, posting frequency will be as >>>>>> indicated >>>>>> above. >>>>>> >>>>>> All this to say that I am very vested and interested in conserving >>>>>>the >>>>>> quality >>>>>> and integrity of the Apache Flex name. And in order to help increase >>>>>> positive >>>>>> adoption of Apache Flex usage, I have purchased this domain with the >>>>>> intent of >>>>>> continuing on the work of the esteemed former Adobe employee Peter >>>>>> DeHaan >>>>>> at >>>>>> flexexamples.com with a new site. In the spirit of this intent, I >>>>>> humbly >>>>>> request >>>>>> your permission to use the Apache trademark in the domain name >>>>>> apacheflexexamples.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Joseph Balderson >>>>>> Flex Developer & Tech Writer >>>>>> http://www.joeflash.ca >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/joeflash >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/proflex3book >>>>>> >> >>
