Alex, if I may intrude I do not believe you would have any legal ground to oppose joeflex.ca and even if you had, it would be such a stretch that having Apache oppose something Adobe would not have would be beyond ironic and very concerning. This is not Apple, is it? ;) I do understand your concern about any name with "apache flex" though! Same would have applied for any name with adobe flex and examples, which never happened to my knowledge. But I gasp on the joeflex.ca.
By the way, I'm restarting Occupy HTML5: http://www.facebook.cm/OccupyHTML5 And I push it a bit further with an organization nonprofit organization I am going to submit for crowdfunding soon, called Multi-Screen Project. Reminds you something? OccupyHTML5 will be one of this organization's programs. Another program will be the Multi-Screen Institute with cyber vocational education for application software development / engineering because I am tired of seeing all the vendors, especially training, popping out of nowhere like mushrooms and trying to milk the HTML5 cash cow, or all the startups trying to saturate the market with framework and products or services and platforms. The institute will be based on guidance and mentorship and will cover any technology its board will consider appropriate, where appropriate means good for the end user, no matter what anyone says, while focusing on what is best for the best experiences. Remind you something? I also hope to be able to run research and testing labs so when Apple execs mark bugs not to be fixed we can call them out so loud they won't be able to fake they are too big and can't hear it. The last program but not least is a web, TVoIP and mobile consumer watchdog, to keep all this beautiful corporate world on leach and exposed because boy, I can't take one more bite of Apple: http://ww.facebook.com/occupyhtml5/posts/1429489180601742 http://www.facebook.com/occupyhtml5/posts/10151861946595679 Or Adobe for that matter: https://www.facebook.com/occupyhtml5/posts/10151861946595679?comment_id=2407 40970&reply_comment_id=240742817&total_comments=7 So if any of you feel like you wanna jump in and help, let me know because I will surely need all kind of help :) Stephane -----Original Message----- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:14 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Cc: n...@joeflash.ca Subject: Re: Apache Flex Examples I'm not sure the rules are truly in the way. I think it is up to the Apache Flex PMC to decide whether we want to allow Joe to use this domain or not. I've asked trademarks@ to see if we get to make the call or not and for guidance on what issues we should consider when making such a decision. To me, my own personal considerations would be (based on my interpretation of domain.html): 1) If it has "apache" in the domain name, then the code on the site must be governed via the "Apache Way" and should probably live in one of our repos. 2) Will Apache Flex have similar content on its own web-site and would this domain name cause confusion? Would we be constantly asking in emails "did you mean the examples on flex.a.o or on apacheflexexamples.c?" 3) Does our approval imply favoritism to this third-party vs another? For this case, what if Peter Dehaan re-appears and wants to add new content to his site? Or someone else decides to start their own site of examples? Would we approve apacheflexexamples.o or some other eligible suffix for that other person? 4) What if Joe just plain runs out of time and energy and only gets a few dozen examples out? How would we feel then about this site showing up in search results forever? When we joined the PMC we promised to protect the Flex and Apache brands, so these are my concerns. Trademarks@ may have more. But unless they say otherwise, I would personally think that we could allow apacheflexexamples.joeflash.ca and maybe even joeflex.ca or joeapacheflex.ca since they more clearly imply that it is not an official Apache site. -Alex On 1/2/14 4:06 AM, "Erik de Bruin" <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote: >Just for the record: I hate it when the rules get in the way of good >intentions. That's not what the rules are intended for, IMHO. The rules >should be there to avoid abuse, not to discourage use... > >EdB > > > >On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: >> >> >> On 12/31/13 8:07 PM, "Joseph Balderson" <n...@joeflash.ca> wrote: >> >>>I understand the concern about the domain name. However, in the >>>spirit of continuing the work of Peter De Haan, since he still is in >>>control of flexexamples.com, I think apacheflexexamples.com is >>>perfectly appropriate. >> It is logical, but I don't know if I can agree that it is appropriate. >> The use of "apache" in the domain name would imply to me that all >>code is developed under the "Apache Way". >>> >>>To alleviate any confusion of direct relationship with the Apache >>>foundation, I would be perfectly willing to put a attribution, top >>>and centre of each page, similar to what is to be found in books >>>using the "Apache Foo" format, saying the required "Apache, Apache >>>Flex, and Flex are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. Used >>>with permission. No endorsement by The Apache Software Foundation is >>>implied by the use of these marks." >> I would imagine that in the end you will want to use "Flex" somewhere >>in the domain name and this disclaimer will be required. However, >>I'm not sure it will be sufficient to allow you to use "apache" in >>the domain name. Another issue is, if someone else wants to start >>their own site of examples, they don't have a level playing field as >>the apacheflexexamples domain name just sounds more "official" and >>will look more official in search results. And again, we will >>probably host some minimal set of examples on the flex.apache.org >>site and we don't want confusion between those an other third party >>examples. Finally, Peter Dehaan was at least an employee of Adobe >>when he produced most of that content. >> >>> >>>Of course, that's assuming I have permission from Apache. Lemme get a >>>beta out the door, then I'll pass it by apache at that time, and if >>>they still have issues with the domain name, given the spirit of >>>intent, and the attribution, then we can look at other options. If >>>it's a problem I might even be willing to donate the domain name to >>>the Apache Flex group provided I could still administrate it. I'm >>>sure there is something we can work out. >> I will seek advice from our VP of Branding on this matter. >> >> Again, I'm totally in support of you building out a site full of >> examples/tutorials, but I'm not sure Apache Flex can support your choice >> of domain name. >> >> Thanks, >> -Alex >> > > > >-- >Ix Multimedia Software > >Jan Luykenstraat 27 >3521 VB Utrecht > >T. 06-51952295 >I. www.ixsoftware.nl
