I never respond to threads like this but...
Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in
the last two years, you would know I have said this.
Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to deployment.
What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do
you think any of this is going to change?
What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate
ActionScript, other may like it. Its a language folks, based on
structured OOP that has been proven to manage large enterprise
applications better than scripts loosely typed, this is a proven fact.
If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life
doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence.
Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective
and don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions"
that exists, you can always create something "better" in the
evolutionary chain.
The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options.
Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have
said it before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the
sense of what it can be in the future.
We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the
community instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did
with the Flash Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash?
Mike
Quoting Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl>:
There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache
Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist
or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by
Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into
that blog post).
These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use
contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for
the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a
reality sooner rather than later!
EdB
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto <dsreil...@gmail.com> wrote:
cobol is dead! NOT really...
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com
wrote:
AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now...
2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <webdoubl...@hotmail.com>
> From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=**
> 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for
support
> new ios and android OSes
>
> -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
>
>
> just one question
> For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used
> it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of
Adobe
> air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
> What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile
?
> The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and
reuse
> 85% of the code :/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
> carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>
> Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
>> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as
>> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT,
>> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all
>> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the
better
>> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are
>> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is
>> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it
>> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform
competing
>> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in
>> *development* terms.
>>
>> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the
>> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS
>> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different
people
>> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time
>> making it to work together.
>>
>> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and
>> success
>> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try
>> to
>> be the only one option out there.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com>
>>
>> > @Carlos
>> > There is no such JS library.
>> >
>> >
>> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
>> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
>> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
>> > That s what i m asking myself.
>> >
>> > I dont see none.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com**>
>> >
>> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to
libraries/frameworks/**plataforms
>> > > in
>> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
>> > > declaration?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in advance
>> > >
>> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > > @Carlos
>> > > > I agree
>> > > >
>> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
>> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > >
>> compiling
>> > > down
>> > > > to JS.
>> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com**>
>> > > >
>> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits
>> > > > > of
>> > > Flex
>> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML /
JS. I
>> > > think
>> > > > in
>> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the
new
>> > > > framework
>> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives
>> > > > > us
>> > as
>> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the
>> > platform.
>> > > > If
>> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they > >
>> > > manage
>> > to
>> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
>> > > > nowadays).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we
had
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <a...@binitie.com>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by
>> > virtue
>> > > > of
>> > > > > > his
>> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push
them
>> to
>> > > > > > projects
>> > > > > > > that need evangelizing
>> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <
>> jazzmatad...@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
>> > > JavaScript/HTML
>> > > > > then
>> > > > > > > you
>> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com>
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a
company
>> has
>> > > no
>> > > > > > > control
>> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
>> contribute.
>> > > > That's
>> > > > > > how
>> > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
>> > > ApacheCon
>> > > > > NA
>> > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it
>> can
>> > > put
>> > > > > > things
>> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/<
http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/>
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-**
>> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_**
>> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp<
http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
>
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > > > > > Justin
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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>> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
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>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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