Authorwate Too. It was the tool that i had used for 5 years Regards, Jaydeep Tank
On 6 March 2013 21:22, Carlos Cruz <car...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote: > Just be glad Flex is out of Adobe's hands, I just wish the same fate would > happen to Flash!! I had predicted the demise of all Macromedia products in > the hands of Adobe, not because I'm extra smart (I'm not!!), just my > opinion > big multi-dimensional companies which are good at managing money but > horrible at championing anything. Some of my examples of Adobe playing > Ping-Pong and eventually killed/killing apps : > 1 Flash Media Server (talk about a moving target and dysfunctional multi > personalities and needless purposeful handicapping, and successfully making > it an overpriced inferior product) > 2. Director > 3. Flex > 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine) > 6. Freehand > 7. Fireworks (a software still looking for a purpose in life) > 8. ???? (fill in the blank) > 9. Flash (last on my list because I still think it has a few useful years) > > Your platform of choice is like your favorite color, you can reason all you > want, but if you're talking to someone who prefers another color, you are > preaching to barbarians!! I personally believe Javascript and HTML5 are > still very clunky and have many shortfalls, but this is just my opinion and > yes I also used them daily, many people have a different opinion, and > that's > OK!!! But if you like Flex think about contributing something.....!!! > > Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders and their battle > cries will echo their command in chief's carefully worded talking points, > don't take their comments too personally or too close to heart, they are > not > your friends!!! Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what > you have in your handbag or wallet!!! > > THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex > project > / platform. > > I'm not stating facts, I'm stating my opinions, but coffee break is over I > must get back to work! > Cheers!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:36 AM > To: dev@flex.apache.org > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? > > I never respond to threads like this but... > > Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in the > last > two years, you would know I have said this. > > Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to > deployment. > > What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do you > think any of this is going to change? > > What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate ActionScript, > other may like it. Its a language folks, based on structured OOP that has > been proven to manage large enterprise applications better than scripts > loosely typed, this is a proven fact. > > > If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life > doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence. > Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective and > don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions" > that exists, you can always create something "better" in the evolutionary > chain. > > The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options. > Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have said > it > before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the sense of what > it can be in the future. > > We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the > community > instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did with the Flash > Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash? > > Mike > > > > > > Quoting Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl>: > > > There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache > > Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist > > or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by > > Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into > > that blog post). > > > > These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use > > contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for > > the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a > > reality sooner rather than later! > > > > EdB > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto <dsreil...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> cobol is dead! NOT really... > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira > >> <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... > >>> > >>> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <webdoubl...@hotmail.com> > >>> > >>> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on > >>> > http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** > >>> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for > >>> support > >>> > new ios and android OSes > >>> > > >>> > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM > >>> > To: dev@flex.apache.org > >>> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > just one question > >>> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but > >>> > i used it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the > >>> > capabilities of > >>> Adobe > >>> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc... > >>> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target > >>> > mobile > >>> ? > >>> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app > >>> > and > >>> reuse > >>> > 85% of the code :/ > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < > >>> > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and > >>> > have > >>> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to > >>> >> reuse as many as you can. Flex is a great development platform > >>> >> nowadays. GWT, JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its > >>> >> own flavor. But all people here loves Flex because it fits it's > >>> >> needs and thinks is the > >>> better > >>> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They > >>> >> are comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's > >>> >> output is dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of > >>> >> Flex and make it play in the HTML5 world...and be the best > >>> >> *development* platform > >>> competing > >>> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great > >>> >> before in > >>> >> *development* terms. > >>> >> > >>> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you > >>> >> all the code, classes and features you need and work > >>> >> seamless...while in HTML/JS you must to search for "scripts" and > >>> >> libraries that makes different > >>> people > >>> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many > >>> >> time making it to work together. > >>> >> > >>> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users > >>> >> and success in the competition...btw, competition is very good > >>> >> and we should not try to be the only one option out there. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> > >>> >> > >>> >> > @Carlos > >>> >> > There is no such JS library. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit So if Flex turns out > >>> >> > to be another JS cross compiler What would be the benefit of > >>> >> > Flex over the above ? > >>> >> > That s what i m asking myself. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I dont see none. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com**> > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to > >>> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms > >>> >> > > in > >>> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML > >>> >> > > layout declaration? > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > Thanks in advance > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > @Carlos > >>> >> > > > I agree > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML > argument. > >>> >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> compiling > >>> >> > > down > >>> >> > > > to JS. > >>> >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com**> > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the > >>> >> > > > > benefits of > >>> >> > > Flex > >>> >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and > >>> >> > > > > HTML / > >>> JS. I > >>> >> > > think > >>> >> > > > in > >>> >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and > >>> >> > > > > the > >>> new > >>> >> > > > framework > >>> >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits > >>> >> > > > > that gives us > >>> >> > as > >>> >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support > >>> >> > > > > the > >>> >> > platform. > >>> >> > > > If > >>> >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as > >>> >> > > > > they > > > >>> >> > > manage > >>> >> > to > >>> >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible > >>> >> > > > > with HTML > >>> >> > > > nowadays). > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support > >>> >> > > > > all we > >>> had > >>> >> in > >>> >> > > the > >>> >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect... > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline > >>> >> > > > > > allready > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/ > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <a...@binitie.com> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do > >>> >> > > > > > > this by > >>> >> > virtue > >>> >> > > > of > >>> >> > > > > > his > >>> >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and > >>> >> > > > > > > push > >>> them > >>> >> to > >>> >> > > > > > projects > >>> >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain > >>> >> > > > > > > Ekambi" < > >>> >> jazzmatad...@gmail.com > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > > wrote: > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising > >>> >> > > JavaScript/HTML > >>> >> > > > > then > >>> >> > > > > > > you > >>> >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble. > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Hi, > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a > >>> company > >>> >> has > >>> >> > > no > >>> >> > > > > > > control > >>> >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) > >>> >> contribute. > >>> >> > > > That's > >>> >> > > > > > how > >>> >> > > > > > > > the > >>> >> > > > > > > > > ASF works. > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good > >>> >> > > > > > > > > session at > >>> >> > > ApacheCon > >>> >> > > > > NA > >>> >> > > > > > on > >>> >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - > >>> >> > > > > > > > > perhaps it > >>> >> can > >>> >> > > put > >>> >> > > > > > things > >>> >> > > > > > > > > into perspective? > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/< > >>> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/> > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > >>> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-** > >>> >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_** > >>> >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp< > >>> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Commun > >>> ity_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nic > >>> k_Burch.odp > >>> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks, > >>> >> > > > > > > > > Justin > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > -- > >>> >> > > > > Carlos Rovira > >>> >> > > > > Director de Tecnología > >>> >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >>> >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > >>> >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.directwriter.es > >>> >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > -- > >>> >> > > Carlos Rovira > >>> >> > > Director de Tecnología > >>> >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >>> >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > >>> >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com > >>> >> > > http://www.directwriter.es > >>> >> > > http://www.avant2.es > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Carlos Rovira > >>> >> Director de Tecnología > >>> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >>> >> F: +34 912 94 80 80 > >>> >> http://www.codeoscopic.com > >>> >> http://www.directwriter.es > >>> >> http://www.avant2.es > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Edouard Bataille > >>> > Epita MTI 2008 > >>> > Consultant Expert Java Flex > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Carlos Rovira > >>> Director de Tecnología > >>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >>> F: +34 912 94 80 80 > >>> http://www.codeoscopic.com > >>> http://www.directwriter.es > >>> http://www.avant2.es > >>> > > > > > > > > -- > > Ix Multimedia Software > > > > Jan Luykenstraat 27 > > 3521 VB Utrecht > > > > T. 06-51952295 > > I. www.ixsoftware.nl > > > > -- > Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC > http://www.teotigraphix.com > http://blog.teotigraphix.com > >
