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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com > wrote: > AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... > > 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <webdoubl...@hotmail.com> > > > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** > > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for > support > > new ios and android OSes > > > > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM > > To: dev@flex.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? > > > > > > just one question > > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used > > it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of > Adobe > > air wich allow to make some native extension etc... > > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile > ? > > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and > reuse > > 85% of the code :/ > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < > > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: > > > > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have > >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as > >> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT, > >> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all > >> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the > better > >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are > >> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is > >> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it > >> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform > competing > >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in > >> *development* terms. > >> > >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the > >> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS > >> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different > people > >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time > >> making it to work together. > >> > >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and > >> success > >> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try > >> to > >> be the only one option out there. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> > >> > >> > @Carlos > >> > There is no such JS library. > >> > > >> > > >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit > >> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler > >> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ? > >> > That s what i m asking myself. > >> > > >> > I dont see none. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com**> > >> > > >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to > libraries/frameworks/**plataforms > >> > > in > >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout > >> > > declaration? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks in advance > >> > > > >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> > >> > > > >> > > > @Carlos > >> > > > I agree > >> > > > > >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. > >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > > > >> compiling > >> > > down > >> > > > to JS. > >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com**> > >> > > > > >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits > >> > > > > of > >> > > Flex > >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / > JS. I > >> > > think > >> > > > in > >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the > new > >> > > > framework > >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives > >> > > > > us > >> > as > >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the > >> > platform. > >> > > > If > >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they > > > >> > > manage > >> > to > >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML > >> > > > nowadays). > >> > > > > > >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we > had > >> in > >> > > the > >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/ > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <a...@binitie.com> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by > >> > virtue > >> > > > of > >> > > > > > his > >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push > them > >> to > >> > > > > > projects > >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing > >> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" < > >> jazzmatad...@gmail.com > >> > > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising > >> > > JavaScript/HTML > >> > > > > then > >> > > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a > company > >> has > >> > > no > >> > > > > > > control > >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) > >> contribute. > >> > > > That's > >> > > > > > how > >> > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > ASF works. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at > >> > > ApacheCon > >> > > > > NA > >> > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it > >> can > >> > > put > >> > > > > > things > >> > > > > > > > > into perspective? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/< > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-** > >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_** > >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp< > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks, > >> > > > > > > > > Justin > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > Carlos Rovira > >> > > > > Director de Tecnología > >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com > >> > > > > http://www.directwriter.es > >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Carlos Rovira > >> > > Director de Tecnología > >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com > >> > > http://www.directwriter.es > >> > > http://www.avant2.es > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Carlos Rovira > >> Director de Tecnología > >> M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >> F: +34 912 94 80 80 > >> http://www.codeoscopic.com > >> http://www.directwriter.es > >> http://www.avant2.es > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Edouard Bataille > > Epita MTI 2008 > > Consultant Expert Java Flex > > > > > > -- > Carlos Rovira > Director de Tecnología > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > http://www.codeoscopic.com > http://www.directwriter.es > http://www.avant2.es >
