Hi Joe, I fully understood your point. Let me ask one question here. If we are concerned about how we would appear in public, because of one committer would say something using their Mastodon:
Aren't we saying "PR over community, community over code?" Community is also because we have opposite opinions, or sometimes opinions which are different from the ASF. It needs to be like this, otherwise we don't have any development. Bu t I mentioned, I get your point. Would you be less concerned with a domain like asf.social, since this is not an official domain? Assuming asf.social would be only for ASF community, but also allow "offical" accounts like press@asf.social? Or is it the same problem in your opinion? Kind regards, Christian On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, at 19:53, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > There's a very large difference between email and a Mastodon account. > There's an implicit expectation of moderation around Mastodon > instances and major differences how people use and consume a > microblogging service vs. email. > > I often tell people that "everything you say publicly is PR" and > that's true. If you say something on a public mailing list, it's fair > game for press, etc. > > *But* email doesn't have the same level of public exposure and > resharing that microblogs like Mastodon do. Yes, you can forward an > email, but there's not a one-click easy button for someone with 10K > followers to expose that to a much larger audience the way there is > with Mastodon or Twitter. > > *But* with Twitter, unless an account is marked "official" it's > separate from your organization's identity. (More or less.) If > @u...@apache.org decides to "toot" something, and it spreads, it's > (potentially) seen as coming from this community and not merely the > user. > > For that reason, I'd strongly prefer limiting any official or > semi-official ASF instance to projects or roles and not handing out > accounts for individuals to use as their social media presence in the > "fediverse." > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:25 PM Owen O'Malley <omal...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> I disagree. I think having an individual identity at Apache is important. >> Just because I have omalley@X doesn't mean that it is the same as >> omal...@apache.org. Having a gmail address does not mean that I don't use >> omal...@apache.org. >> >> .. Owen >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:25 PM Joe Brockmeier <j...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 7:33 AM Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote: >> > > >> > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:50 AM Bertrand Delacretaz >> > > <bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to >> > > > > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF >> > > > > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... >> > > > >> > > > Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? >> > > > >> > > > Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? >> > > > >> > > > If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. >> > > > >> > > > Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and >> > > > foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly >> > > > to operate from a moderation point of view. >> > > >> > > I don't want this to be me driving the social requirements. I want >> > > comdev and/or M&P (and ideally both) coming to an agreement on what is >> > > best. >> > > >> > > I'm merely offering to make the technical and hosting parts happen. >> > > >> > > I'm OK with experiments (let's try this... no that didn't work, how >> > > about that). Preferably ones with clear exit criteria (example: >> > > moderators don't show up and the instance gets shut down). >> > >> > From an M&P perspective I'd strongly prefer official handles like >> > announce, infra, cloudstack, president, etc. and *not* jzb, rubys, and >> > so forth. >> > >> > People are still figuring out the world of ActivityPub/Fediverse, etc. >> > but I the moderation and policy problems become exponentially more >> > difficult if we're providing a platform for individual voices vs. >> > simply providing a platform for "if you want to follow the official >> > social channel of CloudStack on ActivityPub, this is how you know it's >> > real and can feel confident in following it" + "here's an easy way to >> > find all the ASF projects on a social platform." >> > >> > Anybody who wants a presence on the fediverse as themselves can find >> > one easily enough - it's not necessary for us to provide that service >> > to members the same way it's necessary/desirable to provide email >> > addresses. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > jzb >> > -- >> > Joe Brockmeier >> > Vice President Marketing & Publicity >> > j...@apache.org >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > >> > > > > > -- > Joe Brockmeier > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > j...@apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
