> On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:41 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> While I agree with your conclusion I do disagree with how you get there.
>
> In your first message you seemed to think that the “self-serving nature” of
> what Tidelift is doing is any different than what many companies have been
> doing to the ASF. I am a member of the Flume PMC and my employer uses it as a
> critical component of our infrastructure, primarily at my doing. I was
> reluctant to have it graduate from the incubator since the PMC was 90%+
> Cloudera employees. Well, Cloudera ghosted the project and many of the PMC
> members are now former Cloudera employees who, while interested in the
> project, have no time to spend on it. I view that model and outcome as worse
> than what Tidelift is proposing. I am now faced with doing a Flume update and
> release pretty much all on my own, although I am sure there are 3 PMC members
> active enough to approve the release.
>
I agree that all companies are self-serving in that way... There is a class of
lawyers colloquially known as "ambulance chasers". I submit that said class of
lawyers are more "self serving" than the general populace of lawyers.
PS: Regarding the example that you provide. If it was up to me, I'd say that
Flume should be attic'ed then. If we need to split hairs to determine whether a
project is healthy or if there are enough active PMC members, then we should,
IMO, error on the side of caution and attic said project. Otherwise we are
openly and willingly allowing, and even encouraging, the continued problems
that we are trying to solve right now.
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