Because it was unintelligible nonsense. WADR. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:58 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Matthew, > > Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight > words. > > If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges. > > Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community discussion. > > Craig > > > On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <matt...@matthewsacks.com> > wrote: > > > > Thanks for your input. > > > > “I don’t like it” is your only reason? > > > > Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page? > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <dferra...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > >> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar > >> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of > >> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want > >> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the > >> opposite, which is worse. > >> > >> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want, > >> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work > >> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using > >> this kind of "corporate encouragement". > >> > >> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that > >> does not make me like it anyway. > >> > >> Cheers. > >> > >> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks > >> (<matt...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió: > >>> > >>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: > >>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay. > >>>>> > >>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative? > >>>>> > >>>>> Vote? > >>>>> > >>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service? > >>>> > >>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here: > >>>> > >>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up > >>>> and maintain it. > >>>> > >>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should > >>>> host for the Foundation. > >>>> > >>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge, > >> based > >>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is > >>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it > and > >>>> keep it alive. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> This sounds cool! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <dailidon...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best Regards > >>>>>>> --------------- > >>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair > >>>>>>> Lidong Dai > >>>>>>> dailidon...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> --------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks < > >> matt...@matthewsacks.com > >>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s > >> themselves. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> J. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks < > >>>>>> matt...@matthewsacks.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate > >> the > >>>>>> badge > >>>>>>>>>> authenticity? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more > >>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE > >>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not > >>>>>> what > >>>>>>>> many > >>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above > >>>>>> boxes > >>>>>>>>> btw!) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We > >>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>>> access > >>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> them. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which > >>>>>> has a > >>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active > >>>>>> developer > >>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from > >>>>>> Kibble > >>>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>>>>> Badgr. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* > >> of > >>>>>>>> times > >>>>>>>>>>> over. :D > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --Rich > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the > >>>>>> ApacheCon > >>>>>>>>> every > >>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your > >>>>>> generic > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge". > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> J. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted > >>>>>> <tedl...@yahoo.com.invalid > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <matt...@matthewsacks.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So > >>>>>> like > >>>>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit > >>>>>> badge. It > >>>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and > >>>>>> contributions > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.). > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are > >>>>>> based > >>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve > >>>>>> done? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually > >>>>>> badges > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page > >>>>>> with: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF > >>>>>> “brand” > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and > >>>>>> IT > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software > >>>>>> available > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and > >>>>>>>>> individuals > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge > >>>>>> validated by > >>>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding > >>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in > >>>>>>>>> expanding > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page > >>>>>> views, and > >>>>>>>>>> more > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple > >>>>>>>>> (probably > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not), > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> show > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> dev-h...@community.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com > >>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> Thank you, Matthew > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Rich Bowen > >>>> rbo...@rcbowen.com > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Thank you, Matthew > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Daniel Ferradal > >> HTTPD Project > >> #httpd help at Freenode > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >> > >> -- > > Thank you, Matthew > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > -- Thank you, Matthew
