On 4/2/19 7:05 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Does it need to be its own entity? Why can't this be a task/effort under
> ComDev's control/charter? It certainly seems to fit under the
> concept of comdev and the people are already here...
In the spirit of small reversible steps, starting as a ComDev
initiative, and then, if needed, graduating to its own entity later?
It would be a shame to get wrapped up in administrivia at this point
(ie, creating a board committee, and so on) and losing the momentum of
JFDI that appears to be happening.
>
>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>
>> Another update.
>>
>> I'm writing the note to operati...@apache.org to request the creation of an
>> entity to support and govern diversity and inclusion work. I've added the
>> name of everyone who volunteered here initially, with the caveat that I
>> might have missed someone, so please follow up on the new thread when I
>> send it, nothing intentional.
>>
>> I've also included a potential framework to work under. You can see it
>> illustrated in this talk I gave at OSCON last year:
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FV_9geYGoclJeBb7Ld8Jy0Ze3ex8lTm77dZ6l31y8zo/edit#slide=id.g3e2640810d_1_6
>>
>> I've also requested an initial quote from the firm we work on Research for
>> OSS contributor documentation (Guidea). I've asked for pricing on a project
>> that will deliver on this:
>> - Identify factors preventing under represented groups to contribute/join
>> Apache projects
>> - Recommendations in how to foster diversity & inclusion based in findings
>> - Help establishing a D&I committee
>>
>> I'll report back their quote.
>>
>> On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 14:15, Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 17:38, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:25 PM Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone for the encouragement and recognition.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm happy to work on the Jira board this weekend. Can I just start a new
>>>>> one on my personal account and add people to it? or does someone need to
>>>>> create it under an Apache account? - If the later, can someone create it
>>>>> and give me admin access?
>>>>
>>>> No private JIRA. Needs to be ASF hosted. It is a simple request to
>>>> the infra team, and yes, you can have admin access.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just filed a Jira against Infra requesting the board.
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18147
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I will then populate it with the initial structure and will seed it with
>>>>> components and the deliverables I outlined. I will add the people who
>>>>> indicated interest so they can select where they want to contribute.
>>>>>
>>>>> In terms of comm channels, can we also create a slack channel?
>>>>
>>>> Slack channels tend to disadvantage people who can't be available at a
>>>> given time (either due to other commitments or time zones). We use it
>>>> in infra for time sensitive coordination, but my sense is that the D&I
>>>> work should be done in a more... dare I say it... inclusive manner
>>>> using mailing lists and JIRA and the like.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agree. Let's start with the Jira & mailing list. Could you help with
>>> creating the diversity & inclusion mailing list?
>>>
>>>
>>>>> // I will comment on Kenn's point in a separate note, he outlined great
>>>>> points for us to put into an overall D&I strategy
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>
>>>> And you deserve thanks for volunteering!
>>>>
>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 16:51, Kenneth Knowles <k...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't find this off-topic. I am grateful for this profile of Drupal,
>>>>>> which I otherwise would not have been exposed to. Thanks Justin!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to bring the main section headers and key items (curated by
>>>> me) of
>>>>>> the Drupal article on list for ease of reading and archival.
>>>> Apologies for
>>>>>> redundancy with the links that Justin shared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Institute a community-wide code of conduct
>>>>>> a. With a working group to escalate to for mediation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Elevate a diverse group of leaders
>>>>>> a. have a D&I board to advance initiatives surrounding D&I
>>>>>> b. and a D&I contribution team to help underrepresented people
>>>>>> contribute to the Drupal codebase
>>>>>> c. address D&I in values: "We believe that the Drupal project
>>>> benefits
>>>>>> from a diverse contribution pool, and we strive to foster a welcoming
>>>> and
>>>>>> inclusive culture everywhere Drupal exists—at events, online, and in
>>>> our
>>>>>> workplaces”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Make your project accessible to a diverse user base (hits home as I
>>>>>> think a lot about how they user base becomes the contributor base)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. How private companies can promote open source diversity
>>>>>> a. for most engineers, open source work is a luxury, and one that
>>>> is
>>>>>> not afforded to underrepresented people
>>>>>> b. companies—particularly ones that profit from open source
>>>>>> technology—can solve this problem by giving employees time to
>>>> contribute to
>>>>>> the projects the company uses
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like the work Gris has been doing is like the work of the
>>>> Drupal
>>>>>> D&I board and also the Drupal D&I contribution team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:40 PM Justin Mclean <
>>>> jus...@classsoftware.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slightly off topic but relevant. One think we could do is look at
>>>> other
>>>>>>> foundations and communities and see what they have done that has
>>>> worked
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> them. I come across this interesting artifice this morning [1].
>>>> Note it
>>>>>>> includes the steps that community took to build a diverse
>>>> community, I’d
>>>>>>> also note we’ve taken some of those steps (e.g. have a code of
>>>> conduct)
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> perhaps shows where we could do more. They have set up a Drupal
>>>>>> Diversity &
>>>>>>> Inclusion team [5] that spells out it values [2] and has among
>>>> other
>>>>>>> things guide on moderation, [3] and participation [4], Now the ASF
>>>> is
>>>>>>> different to Drupal and some of those tings may not fit but it
>>>> would be
>>>>>>> useful I think to at least consider them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> https://angel.co/blog/drupals-angela-byron-on-building-a-diverse-community
>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/statement-of-values
>>>>>>> 3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/drupal-diversity-inclusion-participation-moderation-1
>>>>>>> 4.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/participation-moderation-guidelines/participant-guidelines
>>>>>>> 5. https://www.drupal.org/project/diversity
>>>>>>>
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