Again this is not the world we occupy. There is no litmus test for who can join our lists and participate. Safety remains a priority that needs to be addressed- not for the majority, but for those occasional cases where it can and does take place here.
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Matthew Sacks <matt...@matthewsacks.com> wrote: > > Please forgive my ignorance on the matter, but isn't this a prestigious > Open Source software Foundation? > > For such top engineers you think you would have less safety concerns. > Perhaps this is the Linux foundation's influence on the ASF? > > Perhaps Schneier can comment on your seeming "Culture of Fear" if he even > bothers with this list. > > -M > > > >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> I took a leave of absence from the ASF for over a year (my previous email >> on this thread was one of my first since returning) precisely because the >> treatment I got on these mailing lists was so deleterious for my mental >> health that I had to take a break, for my safety. >> >> Positioning *war* as the canonical example of un-safety is a poor one. >> There are many forms of safety. Feeling like a community is a good place >> for you to inhabit, feeling like it wont harm you (emotionally, mentally, >> or otherwise) is well within the remit of safety that we, as a >> community-focused org, should be concerned about. >> >> >>> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 10:32 Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On 14/11/2016 00:52, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Sharan Foga <sha...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *General Diversity Approach and Strategy* >>>>> I haven't had much time to update this on the wiki but once the >>> committer >>>>> survey is complete I will be able to perhaps tailor it based on the >>> results. >>>>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ >>>>> Diversity+Strategy+Ideas >>>>> >>>>> I'm still interested in getting feedback and ideas from anyone about >>> ways >>>>> to develop the strategy and actions we can take to help encourage >>> diversity. >>> >>> <snip/> >>> >>>> So; What does "feel safe" mean? >>>> In this context, it must be a first world non-problem. Because I doubt >>> that >>>> you think ASF committers will be hit by drone strikes if their location >>> is >>>> known, that an unfortunate email will cause terrorist attacks or >>> indirectly >>>> causing thermo-nuclear war. "Safe" means that there is no imminent >> danger >>>> to our lives and physical health. Maslow's somewhat revised hierarchy >>> also >>>> includes "financial security" as it quite directly affects our >> survival. >>>> "Safe" doesn't encompass "not feeling happy", "I was offended" and >> other >>>> non-sense. >>>> If you against all odds are talking about real safety; I can't imagine >>> that >>>> anyone became more unsafe after joining ASF communities. Right? >>> >>> Wrong. There are examples of people being threatened and/or assaulted >>> directly as a result of their participation in an ASF community. I'm one >>> of them. >>> >>> I whole-heartedly support the work that Sharan is doing this area. I am >>> of the view that the phrase "feel safe" is an critical element of the >>> desired outcomes and should remain. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
