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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@apache.org> wrote: > Excellent, thank you. > > Sent from my mobile device. > > On 20 Sep 2010, at 23:02, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=15ru0kwhqAbT8QAVC5Bs0KMeT06ZP5RNnIIbEbeDVQjo&hl=en >> >> Lazy consensus lazily added. >> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Ross, >>> >>> I completely spaced that out. I'm quite familiar with it. I'll add it. >>> This is exactly why I wanted to get a review. >>> >>> --benson >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> This is a fine post and I have no objections to it being published as is. >>>> However, in the projects I work on the concept of Lazy Consensus is >>>> critical. That is, for the majority of actions permission need not be >>>> sought since most actions can be reversed. Thus non objection means >>>> consensus. >>>> >>>> This is particularly powerful since it requires people to be active if >>>> they want to have a say in the project. That is, people can't just turn up >>>> at discussion phase and throw a spanner in the works (as happens in so >>>> many committee run endeavours). >>>> >>>> Of course this relies on people knowing when they should ask for input on >>>> proposed changes. For me this is why merit is critical. For me merit >>>> indicates someone has learned when to ask permission as opposed to when to >>>> ask for forgiveness. >>>> >>>> If your experience in projects is different from mine with respect to lazy >>>> consensus, or if you prefer not to add this detail, I'll follow up with a >>>> post along the above lines. >>>> >>>> Sent from my mobile device. >>>> >>>> On 20 Sep 2010, at 21:20, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think I posted the link to a folder instead of a link to the doc. >>>>> >>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=15ru0kwhqAbT8QAVC5Bs0KMeT06ZP5RNnIIbEbeDVQjo&hl=en >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=15ru0kwhqAbT8QAVC5Bs0KMeT06ZP5RNnIIbEbeDVQjo&hl=en >>>>>> >>>>>> Care to read before I put it on the blog? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On 16/08/2010 23:03, Benson Margulies wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a goofy blog at blogger. Is there some mechanism for having an >>>>>>>> ASF >>>>>>>> blog? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://blogs.apache.org/comdev/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you post your content here we'll get it up there for you (we've not >>>>>>> really worked out access rights to the blog yet so I'll not assume my >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> preference is universal at this point). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ross >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Ross Gardler<rgard...@apache.org> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 16/08/2010 22:37, Benson Margulies wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Recent discussions on various lists have led me to think about >>>>>>>>>> 'Consensus >>>>>>>>>> Process' as an area of possible effort for comdev. People are not >>>>>>>>>> born >>>>>>>>>> knowing how to operate a consensus process, and some discussions >>>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> me that the communities might benefit from something written down as >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> aid >>>>>>>>>> memoire or training device. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure that I could find some references on this subject, but I'm >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> inclined to type up a somewhat personal introduction to consensus >>>>>>>>>> process >>>>>>>>>> and see if anyone thinks that it's worth further work and eventual >>>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Starting with a personal blog post on the topic would be great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You may want to look at the content at >>>>>>>>> http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/meritocraticGovernanceModel.xml >>>>>>>>> - in >>>>>>>>> particular section 2.4 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This document discusses the mechanics of consensus and decision >>>>>>>>> making in >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> meritocratic project. However, it does not discuss the social aspects. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's always been my intention to bring that content here, but I've not >>>>>>>>> found the time yet. It's currently CC-BY-SA, but I'm happy to make it >>>>>>>>> available under an Apache Licence if it would compliment your work in >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ross >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >
