+1 keep `sysvint-core` in Debian *at a reliable level*, is a wise thing to do. For at least, 2018~2020.
On 19 October 2014 18:40, Jonas Smedegaard <d...@jones.dk> wrote: > Quoting Nikolaus Rath (2014-10-19 20:16:37) > > Jonas Smedegaard <d...@jones.dk> writes: > >> Quoting David Weinehall (2014-10-19 16:13:18) > >>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 02:28:02PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > >>> [snip] > >>> > >>>> The wording in my resolution comes from the TC discussion and > >>>> specifies `at least one' or `some alternative'. To represent that > >>>> as `all' is IMO misleading. > >>>> > >>>> One important difference between `all' and `at least one' is this: > >>>> suppose there is some init system that does not support the common > >>>> interface you suppose in your point (2). Saying `all' suggests > >>>> that it is somehow the fault of the packages which deal with the > >>>> common interface. This point was raised in the TC discussion. > >>>> > >>>> Saying `all' gives the impression that every package must do work > >>>> for each init system. That is why my proposal's wording simply > >>>> says that packages are forbidden from requiring `a specific' init > >>>> system. > >>> > >>> OK, so packaging uselessd (thus providing another init system that > >>> provides -- most of -- the systemd interfaces) would solve all your > >>> worries? > >> > >> There are many ways to twist words, yes. > > > > I think this deserves a better answer. > > > > Do you consider uselessd to be the same init system as systemd? To me > > this looks like a legitimate fork. > > > > Or are you saying that "at least one" is really meant to mean "at least > > one not-systemd derived"? > > My concern is not systemd specifically - on the contrary I find it great > if it brings more choice to Debian, which seems to be the status > currently. > > My concern is also not the risk that Debian could be locked into "only > two" or "only three" init systems - I believe we need not deal with that > until the risk of such scenario eventually becomes realistic - if we > then concider such scenario a concern. > > My concern now is to ensure that Debian supports more than a single init > system. > > I sincerely hope that I made myself more clear this time, and that you > found my response adequate and we can move on. > > > - Jonas > > -- > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ > > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private >
