On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 02:29:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:47:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 07:10:14PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:41:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:47:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > > > > No, you are just a DD whose access to lists has been suspended. > > > > > > > > A sub-DD all the same, what about all those others who participated in > > > > those flamewars ? > > > > > > Sven, with all due respect, please do not try to be party and judge at > > > the same time. Not only does that not work, it also makes you look > > > rather bad. > > > > Wouter, i am just pointing out that there are more than one to > > participate in a flamewar, > > We all know that, so that doesn't exactly help anyone.
Yet, i was the only punished. Why is that ? > > and pinpointing me is more of the same injustice which is at the heart > > of this mess. > > Maybe so; but OTOH, if you keep pointing fingers to other people, then > that doesn't exactly help resolve the situation; on the contrary. I kept asking for a fair trial. > I'm not saying you're wrong if you claim other people did something > wrong; I'm only saying you're not helping anyone or anything by doing > so. how can you justify people getting so angry when i asked to be handed fairly ? > > Notice that if the situation where inversed, and i was on the winning > > side, i would have said exactly the same. That said, if the situation > > where inversed this issue would be solved since ages or would never have > > arrised. > > You can't know that. It may very well be that in such a situation the > other end wouldn't want a compromise. Well, given that all was in the hand of frans, i can tell you that if the situation where inversed, and i had all the possibility to solve it, and was offered a conciliation, i would have jumped on it. This is because i am a good guy, probably too good, which is why i suffered here. > > > I understand you want to be a Debian Developer again, with all rights > > > and privileges which that implies, but can we please take this process > > > one step at a time? First, find a way out of the current situation that > > > gives you voting and upload rights again without pissing off others. > > > > Exact. That is the problem. The fact that people would get pissed by the > > situation being solved fairly is in itself an indication that there is a > > problem beside myself. > > I'm not contesting that; all I'm saying is that your all-or-nothing > approach does little to help alleviate the problem. All or nothing ? Again, this is FUD. In may 2006, i proposed a reasonable compromise to Steve, involving me stopping from posting on the debian-boot mailing list, but being able to work on d-i without restriction. Does this sound all or nothing ? Even Steve Langasek said it was a reasonable proposal (but *shurg* he did say). > The fact is, currently you can't get it all; so I suggest you take your > losses and deal with what you /can/ get. After all, a bit is better than > nothing at all, isn't it? i can get nothing, i never could. It was always : *YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT AND THAT IS IT*. > Nobody claims that the process has to stop there and then. Rome wasn't Heu, the current state seems pretty definitive. There is no place for a continuation, and when i tried to propose a mediation, and a meeting at debconf, people shouted at me. > built in a day; and besides decades of negotiations, peace in the Middle > East and Northern Ireland isn't completely reality yet either. Right. But the death are dead. > If you want to say that your end goal is to get more than what you'll > get out of this, then I understand that, and I don't think anyone can > object to that; but if you want your immediate goal to be more, then > sorry, but you won't get that. My end goal is to be handled fairly, to get blamed for the responsability i have, but no more, and that both parties are equally blamed. But this was apparently too much to ask. Sadly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
