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"AJT" => Anthony Towns <aj@azure.humbug.org.au> "CMC" => C.M. Connelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> AJT> (please don't cc me on list messages) Sorry. Won't happen again. CMC> My point was that if the section on non-free software in CMC> the Social Contract was tweaked to remove specifics about CMC> how Debian will support non-free software, the Social CMC> Contract could qualify for untouchable manifesto status. CMC> Whether that would be desirable is an open question. AJT> It makes more sense to me to allow the people governed by AJT> particular rules (such as the social contract, the AJT> constitution, etc) to be able to change those rules as AJT> they see fit, even if we don't see a reason right now why AJT> we might ever (again) want to change them. I agree. The debate here would be over whether the Social Contract counts as ``rules the Debian Project follows'' or as a foundational statement that can be modified by policy documents issued by the Project as time passed and circumstances change. Because of the nature of the Social Contract (and especially the DFSG), it makes sense to make these documents modifiable, but it should be difficult enough to do so that people will really think hard about whether the changes need to be made. The point is that the Social Contract (and the DFSG) are the core definitions of the Debian Project, and one of the most visible manifestations of the Project to the outside world. It should be hard to mess with those. The Constitution, on the other hand, is an internal document -- it mainly affects developers by defining how the organization functions. (That's the argument I've seen made for only providing a link to the Constitution on the Developers' Corner page and not on the main page.) AJT> AIUI, the Australian Constitution is amended by changing AJT> words, but it's generally (frequently? usually? AJT> sometimes?) printed with both the original and new AJT> phrasings concurrently, with the old form crossed out or AJT> the new form underlined, or similar, so it's possible to AJT> see what's changed. Hmm. That method probably makes it easier to interpret than the U.S. Constitution, which requires you to read (or know) the entire document to be sure you have all the information affecting a given question available. Is there some mechanism to preserve older versions of the Debian Constitution? (A CVS archive somewhere, maybe? Or digitally-signed archive copies?) CMC +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Behind the counter a boy with a shaven head stared vacantly into space, a dozen spikes of microsoft protruding from the socket behind his ear. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ C.M. Connelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] SHC, DS +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.5 and GNU Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE6C1SszrFKeh3cmQ0RAk1RAKDLBf60F7vbeERilS38Vpq/ucYLpACgnxAB IECeEwyM/Nu+zvMoQlm3AHo= =j7fq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----