On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 08:45:30AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2017-07-06 at 07:48, Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > > >> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit : > >> > >>> You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained > >>> here: > >>> > >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.html > >>> > >>> If you would prefer that it is some derivate/fork of Debian > >>> without systemd, I do not have personal experience with those, > >>> but I'm sure that you will get few hints. > >> > >> init is a small part of systemd. And judging y the bug reported and > >> how they are treated, I do not trust any part of it. Neither > >> resolved, logind, etc... > > > > So you do not trust udev as well? > > I consider it unfortunate that udev is maintained as part of the systemd > suite, rather than being maintained independently (even if by the same > people), purely from a separation-of-distinct-things perspective. > > I haven't seen any relevant problems with it to date, however; the worst > aspect of that maintenance situation is that it means upgrading udev > shows the systemd changelog (which rarely has any relevant changes > listed), rather than only a changelog for udev itself.
Um. So called Predictable Network Interface Names, for starters. Does *very funny* things to Debian (anything that have net.ifnames=1 really) running in ESXi. Somewhat old, but truly golden story about udev and firmware loading - https://lwn.net/Articles/518942/ And, of course #762018 deserves a honorable mention. > >> And it is NOT possible to use debian without any part of systemd. > > > > Indeed it is. It is not possible to use Debian without udev. > > Everything else is optional though. > > You do at least also need libsystemd0 - or at any rate, trying to remove > that on my (otherwise systemd-free) system results in removing 735 > packages, and leaving at least a few hundred others in "automatically > installed, would be removed by autoremove" state. True. But does libsystemd0 count? It's a library, not an executable. Reco
