On 2017-07-06 at 07:48, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > >> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit : >> >>> You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained >>> here: >>> >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.html >>> >>> If you would prefer that it is some derivate/fork of Debian >>> without systemd, I do not have personal experience with those, >>> but I'm sure that you will get few hints. >> >> init is a small part of systemd. And judging y the bug reported and >> how they are treated, I do not trust any part of it. Neither >> resolved, logind, etc... > > So you do not trust udev as well?
I consider it unfortunate that udev is maintained as part of the systemd suite, rather than being maintained independently (even if by the same people), purely from a separation-of-distinct-things perspective. I haven't seen any relevant problems with it to date, however; the worst aspect of that maintenance situation is that it means upgrading udev shows the systemd changelog (which rarely has any relevant changes listed), rather than only a changelog for udev itself. >> And it is NOT possible to use debian without any part of systemd. > > Indeed it is. It is not possible to use Debian without udev. > Everything else is optional though. You do at least also need libsystemd0 - or at any rate, trying to remove that on my (otherwise systemd-free) system results in removing 735 packages, and leaving at least a few hundred others in "automatically installed, would be removed by autoremove" state. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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