Aurélien COUDERC <li...@coucouf.fr> writes: > Le 8 mars 2025 21:09:00 GMT+01:00, Simon Josefsson <si...@josefsson.org> a > écrit : > >>I read this outcome as fairly clear message that, no, Debian does not >>want to provide a second set of installer images, and is not interested >>in contributions to make them. > > Your positions in this thread try to make it sound much more black and > white than it needs to be, than the GR text is written and than my > reading of the current consensus in Debian. > > Like others have said you can start working on alternate fully free > images. We've seen in the thread that there's interest in it. (I would > use them. I did like the fully free images although I would knowingly > install firmware on top of them.) > > What the GR says is that you cannot dump that work on the shoulders of > the people currently maintaining the installer, coordinating the > releases… > > That you're trying to impose so many preconditions before even > starting the work is OTOH an indication to me that you're not really > interested in doing it in the context of Debian.
I would be happy if my perception of the situation is wrong, and that fully free official debian installer images was a welcome contribution. Is that really the case? My reading of the vote outcome is that Debian Project made a "statement on an issue of the day" that there would be no more fully free images: The Debian Project also makes the following statement on an issue of the day: ... We will publish these images as official Debian media, replacing the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages. This won over the alternative that permit both as official media: We will publish these images as official Debian media, alongside the current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages. What is the mechanism to issue a new statement on an issue of the day? Does it require a new vote? What I'm looking for is to confirm a shift of sentiments towards a position like this: We will publish images with non-free firmware as official Debian media, and encourage contributors who are interested in fully free installer images to offer them separately and that these are also considered official Debian media. Andy Cater's post is hard to parse for me. Andy, did you intend it as a sarcastic comment about something that has been beating to death too many times already and has no chance of becoming reality? Or was it a real invitation for discussion and accept contributions? My earlier interactions about this issue were stuck on a deal-breaker: Andy Cater: > Please feel free to pick up the code and generate the second set of > installer images, maintaining the code to exclude non-free-firmware. If I understand what you imply here correctly, this is still a problem. Proper fully free images cannot be generated by going through an intermediate step that involve non-free software. /Simon
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