(On my phone, I hate this ui, sorry for the CC Russ) On Jul 19, 2013 5:30 PM, "Russ Allbery" <r...@debian.org> wrote: > > David Kalnischkies <kalnischk...@gmail.com> writes: > > > Of course, both analysis are obviously flawed as this popcon data can't > > really be interpreted that way as its an apple to banana comparison and > > way too few datapoints, but everyone likes misinterpret statistics as > > "proven" by this thread – and statistics say that I am a pro-faker! > > > "I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself." > > -- Winston Churchill > > [...] > > > P.S.: Everyone who is now trying to disprove my "facts" has missed the > > point. > > Yes, exactly. > > The point is that none of this really means very much at this point, for a > whole bunch of reasons. Ways to use non-sysvinit init systems are not > widely publicized, neither upstart nor systemd are (yet) that widely > supported, and both are quite firmly "experimental" configurations at this > point. There's nothing *wrong* with that; it just means that if you're > trying to use popcon as a democratic vote on which one people like better, > there's simply no data there. > > We're still very much in the "installing things to try them out" stage. > > For example, as soon as I get my new laptop back from servicing, the > systemd numbers will go up by one, because I want to try running it for a > while so that my opinions are based on facts and so that I can start > adding systemd unit files to some of my packages. I don't have the same > level of need to do so for upstart because I can see upstart on Ubuntu > boxes, although I'm looking around for a good system to run with upstart > for a while as well for similar reasons. None of those really constitute > user choices or votes or whatnot for that particular init system. > > I would *hope* a lot of Debian developers would do things like that, for > any of the options! There's no substitute for actually trying the > software and seeing how easy it is to use, how well it works, and how > difficult it is to support. There are a bunch of good reasons to install > packages, even if one isn't going to use them regularly. Among other > things, it's often the easiest way to read the documentation so that one > knows what people are even talking about!
Yes. This. I was a pretty avid syatemd "hater", but having used it for a solid 6 months, I can't imagine using anything else. I find myself installing systemd as one of the first things I do when I get a new install. If you're laying down systemd criticism - *try* systemd for a month. My 2c, T P.s. sorry if this comes out HTML. > > Maybe at some point in the future when whatever options we've converged on > have been widely publicized and everyone knows how to switch and test and > whatnot we might be able to gauge something about levels of interest from > popcon. But it's going to be a while before we're at that point. > > -- > Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ip06fe1e....@windlord.stanford.edu >
