On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 01:42:41PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 06:07:02PM +0000, Jules Bean wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:06:11AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 11:57:21PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > > > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > That's not true. If it is possible to create game levels for it that > > > > > are > > > > > free, than it is considered free. It's not like you can't get anything > > > > > but id's game data. > > > > > > > > I think it depends on whether there are any actual game levels around > > > > which are free. > > > > > > > > The distinction between contrib and main is not whether it is > > > > *possible* to create something free which the contrib software would > > > > be useful for; it's really whether there *is* such a thing. > > > > > > > > If the only practical use of the engine is to run non-free levels from > > > > id, then it belongs in contrib. If someone has levels (that at are > > > > all fun--that is, which are real games) which the engine works with, > > > > then it belongs (along with those levels) in main. > > > > > > So if I create a game with _no_ levels, but the tools to create them, > > > then is it none-free? Just because the only ones available are non-free, > > > doesn't preclude that it is possible to create your own. The engine has > > > much more uses than just to play games (as the README in the source > > > says, also for educational purposes). > > > > But the binary doesn't have educational purposes. > > > > The binary simply won't run, without some data files. I don't know if > > there's a freely downloadable shareware one like there was with > > quake1. > > Of course it does. You can teach basics of game development using a > pre-existing engine. Teachers can use the binary to take their students > from planning to creating worlds, to designing AI, etc. It has many > benefits. We can even describe it as such in the description if it makes > the zealots feel better. > > > Certainly I don't see how we can, in main, distribute a binary that > > does nothing but give an error message and exit. > > > > I could see it as a source-only package, though. > > blimpo:~# gcc > gcc: No input files > > > You have to write or get code for gcc. Should we deliver a hello.c with > gcc to meet those same requirements? You do realize that there are > plenty of free levels out there for quake2 right? We don't have to > distribute that same code just to put quake2 in main. Don't most of them require the non-free PAK file?
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