没说强制,只是推荐使用统一码的utf-8方案,以便让计算机兼容处理其它语言文字,至于用户是否使用中文,我个人不在乎;由于技术问题不能使用utf-8的,用户有自由使用其它编码,或者即使使用utf-8,却加密只给看得懂的某些人看(和debian/debian-chinese相关主题),或者使用罕见的术语。 既积极使用公开的开放标准,又支持老用户和旧的使用方式,这是最好的发展方向,不是么?
的确,debian-chinese应该主要使用中文,但是也有特殊情况使用其它语言文字的,我只是强调这是unicode的特点之一,不是说鼓励大家使用非中文,或使用中文讨论非debian/debian-chinese相关话题。 我们讨论的不是技术问题,而是一个列表管理问题,没必要太过分讨论技术的细微末节,即: 1. 是否合并gb和big5列表? 2. 如果合并,列表是否自动进行简繁中文转换?并评估技术难度和需求。 3. 如果合并,是否保留原有的gb/big5列表? 4. 如果不合并,是否创建新的邮件列表?.... 谢谢分享你的意见。 2008/5/22 Copacabunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > big5和gb编码共存不是问题吧,maillist在这方面好像也不会有问题,由于大家使用的邮件客户端不同,所以为了方便没有必要强制改用utf-8编码吧。使用少数民族语言我认为是会影响阅读理解的,debian的讨论我想按语言分就好,而没有必要按所谓国家、民族分。个人认为交流方便是最重要的,编码可能解决了传输问题,但不能解决人理解不了不同民族语言的问题。 > > > 所以我个人的观点是:虽然支持简繁邮件列表的合并,但认为不必要使用UTF-8,也不需在这个汉语邮件列表中合并入非汉语的少数民族文字。如果少数民族朋友确有需要,可以去相应语言的讨论区,或讨论申请新的列表。 > > 2008/5/21 Yufeng Lan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > 抱歉延迟回复,我想鼓励大家都订使用utf8的统一中文用户列表,但是我担心有历史遗留问题(前面有的邮件谈到技术、文化、个人偏好上的困难),同时考虑到保存一个多样化的中文环境,简单的办法就是保留历史( > > 至少50年不变:) > > > ),当然这要看社区资源是否允许这么"浪费",其实喜欢"纯"简体和繁体的用户也可以设立邮件列表(反正g00g1e等免费提供,他们自己可以选举管理员,我也希望将来加入这些特殊的讨论组)。 > > 订阅2-3个邮件列表对我不是麻烦,我个人没问题。 > > > > > 不限语言,只要是想在华人世界讨论,什么语言都包容,包括维吾尔、藏文、德语、俄语、火星文、骇客语,这也是UTF8的优势。不然又有人或组织会抗议文化灭绝了。我们在某些文化问题上还是要注意,资源允许的条件下尽量包容,这对我们的社区有好处。 > > > > 大家都提了不少好的建议,我个人非常高兴看到这么多好的点子。 > > > > 2008/5/19 Zhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >> why, just so to have less users per list. if most users end up subscribe > >> to all three, why not just merge them. > >> > >> 为什么,那样每个邮件列表上的人会更少。估计很多人会订阅两三个,为什么不直接合并。 > >> > >> 不限语言?我希望中文列表上还是看中文好。英文勉强接受,至少大家懂。其它的还是不要了。 > >> > >> On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:50:57 +0800, Yufeng Lan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> 同意,保持繁体的继续生存。 > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 默认用utf8,不限语言,当然用户大部分是华人。 > >>> 其他保持原状不变,一国3码。 > >>> > >>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) < > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear All, > >>>> > >>>> My opinion is to reopen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to use utf8 > or > >>>> to open another mailing list, named as > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> Keep debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org and > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for their local users. > >>>> Then use traditional chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> and use simplified chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> Use both of traditional and simplified chinese in > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>> $4 > >>>> > >>>> 2008/5/19 Rex Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>> > Hash: SHA1 > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > This is interesting, this thread is probably one of the most active > >>>> > in > >>>> > last couple months. :-) > >>>> > > >>>> > My option is to merge these two mailing list. > >>>> > > >>>> > Even though the list is most helping Debian users solve their > >>>> > problems, and users feel more comfortable when using the characters > >>>> > they > >>>> > can read. But there are already many local user group[1] set up > online > >>>> > forum for helping out the users, which makes the mission of these > two > >>>> > mailing lists marginal. > >>>> > > >>>> > Some people would say Debian is doing very good on supporting > >>>> > Chinese. > >>>> > But it does not mean we can stop the mailing list. Still, there are > >>>> > many > >>>> > decisions need to be made for the new packages and releases. And > both > >>>> > encodings/languages communities are sharing these results of these > >>>> > decisions, since we are sharing the basically infrastructures for > >>>> > fonts, > >>>> > input method, configurations. > >>>> > > >>>> > The mailing list is the right place to submit Chinese-related > >>>> > suggestions, which is the place that Debian Developers can discuss > and > >>>> > work together. A boundary of mailing encodings will make this kind > of > >>>> > discussions difficult. And most of the modern softwares support > >>>> > big5/gb2312/unicode without problems, people can easily read the > >>>> > messages or translate the encodings by themselves. There is not need > >>>> > to > >>>> > split the mailing lists by encodings. > >>>> > > >>>> > best regards > >>>> > - -Rex > >>>> > > >>>> > 1. http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=73 > >>>> > http://www.debsir.org/ > >>>> > http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/ > >>>> > http://moto.debian.org.tw/ > >>>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>>> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > >>>> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >>>> > > >>>> > iD8DBQFIMP4YOl4Wbdx2/rkRAj7jAJ4y0kY+E6yvtuF7jlXi68+zD2MvhgCeM/cs > >>>> > yhlu39HZHLJecoRuiEG5xTk= > >>>> > =Csn6 > >>>> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> regards, > >> > >> Zhan > >> > >> > >> -- > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > > -- > 以Wiki模式创建Linux中文文档,欢迎加入 > http://www.linux-wiki.cn/ >