Thanks, re LAP, was familiar with the term in fee.

According to Wikipedia there were early land purchase schemes involving loans 
but none as attractive as those under the Wyndham Act.

Peter

> On 30 Jun 2020, at 12:43 pm, elwyn soutter <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> LAP stands for “Land Act Purchase”. As far as I am aware, it was introduced 
> with the 1903 Land Act, often known as Wyndham’s Land Act, so you shouldn’t 
> see it in use before that year.  It provided the final piece of legislation 
> to make land ownership more reasonable in Ireland, especially for farmers. It 
> provided Government backed mortgages to finance the purchase of the land and 
> freehold, and there was also some sort of mechanism for bridging the gap 
> where a land owner and farmer couldn’t agree the price.
>  
> In the Valuation Revision books these purchases are marked with the letters 
> “L.A.P.” in purple ink, plus the relevant year is normally written in the 
> right hand column. The landlord’s name is deleted and the words “In fee” 
> inserted. In fee means you own the freehold.
>  
> Quoting from the Encyclopedia Britannica:
>  
> “At the close of the century, the Conservatives initiated a policy designed 
> to “kill Home Rule by kindness” by introducing constructive reforms in 
> Ireland. Their most important achievement was the Land Purchase Act 
> <https://www.britannica.com/topic/Wyndham-Land-Purchase-Act> of 1903, which 
> initiated the greatest social revolution in Ireland since the 17th century. 
> By providing generous inducements to landlords to sell their estates, the act 
> effected by government mediation the transfer of landownership to the 
> occupying tenants”.
>  
> Source:
> https://www.britannica.com/place/Ireland/The-rise-of-Fenianism#ref316060 
> <https://www.britannica.com/place/Ireland/The-rise-of-Fenianism#ref316060>
>  
>  
> As I understand it, the widespread inability to buy their land was something 
> that galled many Irish farmers. (Landowners wanted the income rather than the 
> capital so they mostly didn’t want to sell, though you do see the odd sale in 
> the records). But for many farmers you got say a 30 year lease and spent half 
> your life improving the farm, only for the land owner to then put the rent up 
> because the place was now worth more, thanks mostly to your efforts. And if 
> you didn’t accept the increase, you could be required to leave.  No wonder 
> many farmers went off to live in a country where land was available for 
> outright purchase (often with grants). As the 1800s progressed various 
> piecemeal legislative changes were made, making it slightly harder for 
> landowners to hike up rents unreasonably. I don’t know the precise details 
> but latterly, in general, if a farmer had a longer lease and had been paying 
> his rent and abiding by the terms of the lease he had an almost guaranteed 
> right to renew, and there were statutory limitations on increasing the rent. 
> So it was a sort of security of tenure. Not nearly as good as freehold, but 
> certainly much more secure than the arrangements in the 1600s and 1700s when 
> it was fairly easy to evict tenants at the end of their lease, and/or hike 
> the rent up.
>  
>  
>  
> Elwyn
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 01:22, Peter McKittrick <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Thank you, Elwyn.
> 
> Your explanation of “reps of” and background was very helpful. Obviously long 
> term leases could be dealt with as any other asset, but what threw me was 
> that I would have expected some more legal language (e.g. executor of……legal 
> representative of…etc).  
> 
> So the lease I have been looking at would have been in name of and signed by 
> Robert McKittrick and purely on an ex post basis, when the solicitors for the 
> lessor drew up the sale prospectus for sale in 1872, they found that the 
> lessee was deceased (1869) so they listed the Tenant as Representatives of 
> Robert McKittrick.  In fact son John was Occupier in 1860 (Griffith) when 
> Robert was still alive, so John would have probably occupied under a private 
> arrangement with his father and ran the farm (probably mainly flax growing) 
> paid the rates. Interestingly, looking more closely at the terms of the 
> subject lease, there was a clause against assigning, mortgaging, under 
> leasing or otherwise disposing of the interest, except by will, but  that 
> obviously did not prevent occupation by a son. But yes, you would expect that 
> “Reps of” could only operate under a will.
> 
> Another interesting feature of the lease arrangement was the existence of a 
> reversionary lease over part of the land involving a large (probably 
> prohibitive) rent increase for that part of the land at the expiration of the 
> main lease. The maps are only viewable on Find My Past in black and white and 
> the land subject to the reversionary lease is bordered in yellow so it's not 
> possible to easily identify the part involved and its significance.
> 
> Later, from the Revision Books available at nidirect, John’s son Joseph 
> inherited the lease or was at least occupier. As Elwyn states, things got 
> better for Lessees as by a 1901 Revision Joseph held the land in fee (entry 
> stamped L.A.P.-exact expansion of acronym yet to be found). I assume LAP 
> indicates that Joseph took advantage of one or other of the attractive 
> government purchase assistance schemes, probably one under which the money 
> was lent over a long term, going by the date. Later schemes seemed to involve 
> an outright grant. Joseph eventually sold the land to a Peter Donnelly.
> 
> Happy to see any further discussion!
> 
> Peter McKittrick
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2020, at 11:06 pm, elwyn soutter <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Peter,
>>  
>> Sorry if you feel I misinterpreted your words.  (You said: “may be to avoid 
>> having to draw up a new lease until it was necessary.”)  Dodge wasn’t 
>> intended in any pejorative way, simply as being expedient.
>>  
>>  
>> Elwyn
>> 
>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 11:47, Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList 
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>> wrote:
>> Just in case my email didn’t go to the mailing list, I’ll repeat my response 
>> to Elwyn Souter: Elwyn, at no stage did I suggest it was a “dodge” thank 
>> you. 
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On 29 Jun 2020, at 8:16 pm, Peter McKittrick <[email protected] 
>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Elwyn, at no time did I suggest it was a “dodge” thank you.
>> > 
>> > Peter
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> >>> On 29 Jun 2020, at 7:24 pm, elwyn soutter <[email protected] 
>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >> 
>> >> Regarding “reps of” cases, it was common for there to be significant 
>> >> delays in winding up of some estates. That could be a combination of slow 
>> >> or ineffective executors or it could be because there were disputes or 
>> >> other legal matters which delayed things.
>> >>  
>> >> As a random search, I went to the PRONI wills website and looked for 
>> >> people who died between 1858 and 1862 but whose estates were not granted 
>> >> probate until between 1890 and 1900. There are 36 such cases.  So it took 
>> >> up to 32 years for probate to be granted in a fairly significant number 
>> >> of cases. And until that was done the executors had control over lease 
>> >> renewal etc. So any property transactions relating to those estates would 
>> >> have “reps of” for many many years. (It wasn’t a dodge to avoid a new 
>> >> lease, as Peter suggests. It was just that the owner was dead but the 
>> >> property had not yet been passed on formally to the person who had 
>> >> inherited it. So the person with temporary jurisdiction, and landlord, 
>> >> was the executor(s).
>> >>  
>> >> Here’s a William Bradley who died in 1877. Probate was finally granted in 
>> >> 1940.  Just a slight delay of 63 years. (The estate was valued at a 
>> >> whopping £25).
>> >>  
>> >> Bradley William of Drumard county Tyrone farmer died 26 January 1877 
>> >> Administration W/A Londonderry 13 September to Enoch Bradley farmer. 
>> >> Effects £25. Probate: 13 September 1940.
>> >>  
>> >> On many of the lengthy delay cases you will find the letters “d.b.n” in 
>> >> the probate abstract. DBN is short for “De bonis non” a term used by the 
>> >> Probate Court when dealing with estates where the original executor(s) 
>> >> did not fulfil their obligations to the deceased, perhaps because they 
>> >> were overseas or even dead themselves, and no-one else took any action to 
>> >> resolve things.
>> >>  
>> >>  
>> >>  
>> >> Elwyn
>> >> 
>> >>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 07:25, Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList 
>> >>> <[email protected] 
>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Rick, you asked for an example of "Representatives of [Name] being 
>> >>> listed in relation to tenancies. The example I’ve seen is when the 
>> >>> Altmore Estate was auctioned in 1872 and the sale prospectus listed all 
>> >>> the existing lease agreements including one over an Altmore property 
>> >>> i.n.o. Robert McKittrick where the Tenants Names are recorded as 
>> >>> "Representatives of Robert McKittrick". This document is available on 
>> >>> subscription through Find My Past Landed Estates Court Rentals1850-1885. 
>> >>> By 1860 and Griffith, Robert’s son John (don’t think he was the eldest) 
>> >>> is in Occupation of the property and by 1869 Robert had died, but in 
>> >>> 1872 the lease agreement with Reps of Robert McKittrick was still being 
>> >>> relied upon.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Regards
>> >>> 
>> >>> Peter McKittrick
>> >>> 
>> >>> > On 28 Jun 2020, at 8:33 am, Peter McKittrick <[email protected] 
>> >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>> > 
>> >>> > Rick, good topic. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the lessee is 
>> >>> > sometimes described as “Representatives of.....“ May be to avoid 
>> >>> > having to draw up a new lease until it was absolutely necessary say 
>> >>> > when the lessor changed.
>> >>> > 
>> >>> > Peter
>> >>> > 
>> >>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >>> > 
>> >>> >> On 28 Jun 2020, at 6:20 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
>> >>> >> <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> Hello all …I've been having difficulty finding information 
>> >>> >> concerning how tenancy was passed along from generation to generation 
>> >>> >> on the plantation farms. What was the legal framework for inheriting 
>> >>> >> the lease on the farm that the family had been occupying … in our 
>> >>> >> case for at least 150 years prior to the land acts at the end of the 
>> >>> >> 19th century? Hoping somebody might be able to steer me somewhere on 
>> >>> >> this issue.
>> >>> >> Also, any insight on how a decision was made within a family 
>> >>> >> regarding which son (or daughter) would assume responsibility for the 
>> >>> >> lease?
>> >>> >> Thanks, as always …
>> >>> >> Rick Smoll
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> >> From: elwyn soutter <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >>> >> To: James McKane <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >>> >> Cc: Rick Smoll <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>; 
>> >>> >> CoTyroneIreland.com <http://cotyroneireland.com/> Mailing List 
>> >>> >> <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >>> >> Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 8:21 pm
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 
>> >>> >> 1610 - 1633
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> Rick, Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo”meaning “cow land.” 
>> >>> >> According to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”,a ballyboe 
>> >>> >> was “A small Irish land division which, before the 
>> >>> >> plantation,represented the territory within which several families 
>> >>> >> worked the land.Although the real area of the ballyboe varied greatly 
>> >>> >> with the quality of theland, it was assumed by the plantation 
>> >>> >> surveyors to contain 60 acres ofprofitable land in most areas of 
>> >>> >> north-west Ulster. Many modern townlands haveevolved from these 
>> >>> >> ballyboes.” Not all land in Ireland was requisitionedby the Crown at 
>> >>> >> the time of the Plantation. At least a third remained in thehands of 
>> >>> >> local Irish landlords, normally provided they agreed to be loyal 
>> >>> >> tothe Crown.  An obvious example would bethe Maguires who had lands 
>> >>> >> in Fermanagh. Chunks of land were declared forfeitfollowing the 1641 
>> >>> >> uprising and reallocated. Details in the Down survey: 
>> >>> >> http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php 
>> >>> >> <http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php> Robinson spends some 
>> >>> >> time discussing theorigins of settler names in Tyrone, and to what 
>> >>> >> extent Scottish undertakers hadScots tenants, and English undertakers 
>> >>> >> had English tenants. The implicationbeing that they originated in 
>> >>> >> their landlords respective estates. However therewas evidently a lot 
>> >>> >> of mixing. For example on p122 he says:  The evidence of Scots 
>> >>> >> settling outsidetheir allocated baronies of Strabane and Mountjoy is 
>> >>> >> supplemented by a statementof Lord Audley’s in 1614 when he claimed 
>> >>> >> that his estate of Finagh and Rarone inOmagh barony had as many Scots 
>> >>> >> as English in it. Although there is considerable degree ofcontinuity 
>> >>> >> between 1630 and 1666 in the distributional pattern of 
>> >>> >> Britishsettlement, and indeed in the persistence of English and 
>> >>> >> Scottish localities,the actual surnames on most estates did change 
>> >>> >> dramatically. This turnover ofpersonnel cannot be attributed simply 
>> >>> >> to the ravages of the 1641 rebellion, forcomparable changes can be 
>> >>> >> observed between 1622 and 1630. A high degree oftenant mobility is a 
>> >>> >> striking characteristic of plantation settlement, despitethe 
>> >>> >> continuity of settlement patterns.” He goes on to discuss colonial 
>> >>> >> spread. “In1622 the percentage of Scots on any Tyrone estate was 
>> >>> >> closely related towhether or not the estate was Scottish owned, and 
>> >>> >> only marginally related tothe physical distance from Londonderry as 
>> >>> >> the natural entry point for Scottishsettlers. However by 1630 the gap 
>> >>> >> between the statistical significance of thesetwo factors had 
>> >>> >> narrowed, and by 1666 it was the distance from Londonderrywhich was 
>> >>> >> most significant. This supports the model of colonization 
>> >>> >> outlinedabove, whereby the process of direct plantation, with 
>> >>> >> subsequent internalmigration operated simultaneously with that of 
>> >>> >> colonial spread. Furthermore thecontention that colonial spread 
>> >>> >> became relatively more important than directplantation with time is 
>> >>> >> also supported.” (This continues for pages but you willhopefully get 
>> >>> >> the general drift.  Manysettlers in Tyrone and particularly the Scots 
>> >>> >> arrived via Londonderry and movedacross Tyrone. Some stayed put and 
>> >>> >> some moved about. After 40 years colonialspread meant that a 
>> >>> >> significant percentage were no longer in the place wherethey first 
>> >>> >> settled). Loughterush is in the barony of Omagh East.For me, the 
>> >>> >> absence of Morrisons in that part of Tyrone in the Muster Rolls (iec 
>> >>> >> 1630) strongly suggests your ancestors must have there arrived 
>> >>> >> afterthat.  There’s only 1 Morison in Tyronein the Muster Rolls, a 
>> >>> >> Robert Morsion in Strabane barony. Perhaps your familywere connected 
>> >>> >> to him and moved south to Loughterush. So colonial spread? Your 
>> >>> >> question is whether Audley brought theMorisons over? I doubt he 
>> >>> >> brought them over himself because he appears to haveacquired those 
>> >>> >> lands from his uncle, Lord Castlehaven who was the 
>> >>> >> originalUndertaker. The family were from Petersfield in Hampshire.  
>> >>> >> Morison is not a name particularly common inthat part of England so 
>> >>> >> that would make me doubt they were Castlehaven tenantsin England. But 
>> >>> >> I might be wrong.   Elwyn
>> >>> >> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 01:21, James McKane <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> A search of the CoTyroneIreland.com <http://cotyroneireland.com/> 
>> >>> >> Tithe Applotment Index shows this entry
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> | MORRISON | Edward | Loughterush | Sloy Manor, Kilskerry 1826
>> >>> >> |
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> Jim McKane
>> >>> >> Kitchener, Ontario
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 5:02 PM Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
>> >>> >> <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> I located a copy of the 1654-1656 Civil Survey that covers the 
>> >>> >> townland of Loughterush in Kilskeery Parish … this obviously does not 
>> >>> >> list the tenants names, only the owner … but there is interesting 
>> >>> >> information there that for me begs some questions that perhaps some 
>> >>> >> of you could help me with. I have attached the top page with the 
>> >>> >> header that describes the area and names the owner, and then the page 
>> >>> >> that lists Laghterish (older spelling or misspelling of Loughterush) 
>> >>> >> among the townlands in his possession.
>> >>> >> Questions:1. Is there any reason to have confidence that Col. Audley 
>> >>> >> Mervin  would have been the one to have brought the Morrisons over to 
>> >>> >> Loughterush? 2. Were all of the lands of Ulster apportioned out in 
>> >>> >> the time frame around 1610, or did it take a longer period of time 
>> >>> >> (ie, could Mervin have been granted his land after 1630?) He was also 
>> >>> >> listed among those who came to the aid of Londonderry during the 
>> >>> >> siege by James II in 1690, so he was not likely an original grantee 
>> >>> >> in 1610.3.The total acreage for the townlands of Lisnahanna, 
>> >>> >> Loughterush, and Derryvokenan (?) is listed as 65 acres … there is 
>> >>> >> obviously a lot more than 65 acres there (even Irish acres) ; the 
>> >>> >> Morrison farm alone was about 40-50 acres … could that be referring 
>> >>> >> to only the amount of acreage under cultivation?
>> >>> >> Other items of interest: … I now know what a Balliboe is.
>> >>> >> … Based on the note in the left column of the first page, Audley was 
>> >>> >> apparently among those protestant royalists who were penalized by 
>> >>> >> Cromwell with the settlement act of 1652.
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >>  Rick Smoll 
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> >> From: elwyn soutter <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >>> >> To: CoTyroneIreland.com <http://cotyroneireland.com/> Mailing List 
>> >>> >> <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >>> >> Cc: rsmoll999 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >>> >> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 9:27 pm
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 
>> >>> >> 1610 - 1633
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> Rick, The surname, the general location and thefamily denomination 
>> >>> >> all point to them being settlers who probably arrived inIreland in 
>> >>> >> the 1600s. MacLysaght’s surnames of Ireland describesMorrison as  “an 
>> >>> >> English name numerous inUlster.” The location ie Tyrone, is a county 
>> >>> >> heavily settled by Scots &English in that period, and the family 
>> >>> >> denomination (Methodist in 1901) alsopoints to them being incomers. 
>> >>> >> (They would almost certainly have been Church ofIreland – ie 
>> >>> >> Anglican- in earlier times, prior to Methodism’s arrival inIreland).  
>> >>> >> So in effect you have 3pointers to them being of settler origins. The 
>> >>> >> Muster Rolls c 1630 show a number ofMorrisons in Ireland, and one in 
>> >>> >> Tyrone, but none in the Barony of Omagh East(which includes 
>> >>> >> Loughterush) so that points to a post 1630 arrival in theLoughterush 
>> >>> >> area, if not in Ireland. It’s very rare to find any documentationfor 
>> >>> >> the 1600s, unless you were an Undertaker or major land owner, or had 
>> >>> >> landforfeit after the 1641 rebellion.  Theearliest likely records 
>> >>> >> might be in the Registry of Deeds which start around1709. If the 
>> >>> >> family registered a lease or other significant document, 
>> >>> >> thatsometimes gives you a date. Failing that, church records may 
>> >>> >> help. KilskeeryChurch of Ireland records start in 1767 so you might 
>> >>> >> find them there. For somepeople the tithe applotment records in the 
>> >>> >> late 1820s/early 1830s are often theearliest records to be found.   I 
>> >>> >> searched the PRONI e-catalogue but see nomention there of Morrison in 
>> >>> >> Loughterush other than in the tithes in 1826.There were no 
>> >>> >> comprehensive records of when people first acquired land. Formost 
>> >>> >> 17th century settlers, the first 150 years or so of their timein 
>> >>> >> Ireland are lost in the mists of time. Elwyn
>> >>> >> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 03:06, rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList 
>> >>> >> <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> Peter  ... thanks for responding  ... the links you sent are not 
>> >>> >> working for me. I'll do some more hunting for those sites.Sent from 
>> >>> >> my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9.
>> >>> >> -------- Original message --------From: Peter McKittrick via 
>> >>> >> CoTyroneList <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> Date: 5/21/20  8:43 PM  
>> >>> >> (GMT-06:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com <http://cotyroneireland.com/> 
>> >>> >> Mailing List" <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Peter McKittrick 
>> >>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: 
>> >>> >> [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633 A 
>> >>> >> past Genealogical Society of Victoria (Australia) handout indicates 
>> >>> >> that Morrison appears in Scottish names in Tyrone, 1610-1633 based on 
>> >>> >> muster rolls and estate maps.Sources:             Brian Orr, 
>> >>> >> Plantation of Ireland and the Ulster Scots published on 
>> >>> >> http://www.irishclans.com/ <http://www.irishclans.com/> 
>> >>> >> <http://www.irishclans.com/ <http://www.irishclans.com/>>             
>> >>> >>          Gwen Rawlings-Barry, The Ulster Plantation (1605-1697) 
>> >>> >> published on http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/ 
>> >>> >> <http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/> 
>> >>> >> <http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/ 
>> >>> >> <http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/>> (website not 
>> >>> >> found).Peter McKittrick> On 22 May 2020, at 10:23 am, Gordon 
>> >>> >> Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <[email protected] 
>> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:> > Rick, My guess 
>> >>> >> is that they could have been part of the plantation of Ulster in the 
>> >>> >> 17thC. I suspect(based on my surname) that my ancestors may have been 
>> >>> >> part of that event too but have not been able to find any records of 
>> >>> >> who arrived from where and when. Any help (thanks Len S. for your 
>> >>> >> earlier help) would be appreciated. Gordon> > On 22/05/2020 3:14 am, 
>> >>> >> Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList wrote:>> My Morrison ancestors occupied a 
>> >>> >> farm in the Loughterush townland (Kilskeery Parish) from at least the 
>> >>> >> mid 1700s until 1970 when the last Morrison on the farm passed away 
>> >>> >> (he was a bachelor), and the farm was sold at public auction. The 
>> >>> >> earliest ancestor I have found records for was Edward Morrison, and 
>> >>> >> the earliest reference to Loughterush was with the birth of a 
>> >>> >> daughter of his in 1781.>> My question is: Is there a way to find out 
>> >>> >> when the Morrisons first came to occupy the farm in Loughterush?>> 
>> >>> >> Thank you for any help on this.>> >>   Rick Smoll>> 
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