And a related question from a fellow "beginner": At what point was that group actually dead?

On 03/13/2016 07:55 AM, Olivier Teytaud wrote:
Should we understand that AlphaGo had not understood that O10 was dead ?
(sorry for Go beginner question :-) )

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Detlef Schmicker <d...@physik.de <mailto:d...@physik.de>> wrote:

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    You are right, but from fig 2 of the paper can see, that mc and value
    network should give similar results:

    70% value network should be comparable to 60-65% MC winrate from this
    paper, usually expected around move 140 in a "human expert game" (what
    ever this means in this figure :)

    Am 13.03.2016 um 12:48 schrieb Seo Sanghyeon:
    > 2016-03-13 17:54 GMT+09:00 Darren Cook <dar...@dcook.org
    <mailto:dar...@dcook.org>>:
    >> From Demis Hassabis: When I say 'thought' and 'realisation' I
    >> just mean the output of #AlphaGo value net. It was around 70% at
    >> move 79 and then dived on move 87
    >>
    >> https://twitter.com/demishassabis/status/708934687926804482
    
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    >>
    >> Assuming that is an MCTS estimate of winning probability, that
    >> 70% sounds high (i.e. very confident);
    >
    > That tweet says 70% is from value net, not from MCTS estimate.
    >
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