Suicide?  Do you mean self-atari?  But there must be more to it than that 
because you don't have a rule that prevents all self-atari, right?

David Fotland wrote:
X can't fill J6 because that would be suicide.  For the moment, H5 is an
eye.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-
boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sheppard
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:09 AM
To: computer-go@computer-go.org
Subject: [computer-go] Complicated seki with Ko

With X to move, Many Faces immediately gives about a 1% win rate, and
after
a few seconds, resigns, showing 23742 playouts with 0.5% win rate.  10
ply
principal variation, staring with A7.  I don't have any special code to
detect superko or give-2, get-1 in playouts, but the playouts don't
generate
self- atari moves in a seki, so I think it never tries J6 for either
side.
How does MF recognize that it is a seki without analyzing what happens in
the ko?
The eye on H5 is false if X can fill J6, so it is premature to use the
"both
sides have an eye with only shared liberties" rule.

  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
A - O - O X - - X -
B - X O - O X - O O
C - O O - O - X O -
D X X X O O O O O O
E - O X X X O X O O
F - - O X O X X X X
G - - X X O O X X -
H - O X O - O O X X
J - O X O O - X - X
X to play.
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