On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 06:14 -0400, steve uurtamo wrote:

> Moreover, this is a really complicated issue.



Yes, and I think cheating will always be possible.   It's like
cryptography,  nothing is ever unbreakable.  

I was quite appalled at how often it happened in computer chess when I
was active in it,  and there were also incidents of humans using
computers and having the moves transmitted to them.      And of course
in correspondence chess I think they had to allow computers because the
honest players were at a disadvantage.   

- Don




> There has been some extensive statistical work on human
> cheating in chess done by Ken Regan at the University at Buffalo.
> However, this relies heavily upon the fact that computers
> dominate human play by a wide margin.
> 
> The same is not the case in go.
> 
> s.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Robert Jasiek <jas...@snafu.de> wrote:
> > Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
> >>
> >> If a program under no circumstance can reproduce a specific move and that
> >> for several occasions, then that's very clear proof of course.
> >
> > [...]
> >>
> >> Statistics prove everything here.
> >
> > No. Rather it proves that the program cheats OR that the methods of
> > detecting cheating are improper.
> >
> >> One always must have a logfile
> >
> > Good.
> >
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